Good fight, all of Beyonder's most powerful fts were statement that was said by himself
back then the marvel cosmic structure was not as established as they were now. nobody short of TOAA would be able to deal with the entire family of Endless either.
Dream did some insane shit in overture. Destiny and Death are even more powerful than him
Beyonder did kill mistress death but it was not confirmed that mistress death was multiversal or universal in secret wars 2.
The endless are by nature multiversal aspects that came along right after the beginning of the creation
I'd go with the Endless here
Hard to say. The only way to perma-kill the Endless is to erase them at a conceptual level across the entire DC totality.
Beyonder has the ability to unmake conceptual beings in such a way. However, it required a large portion of his power just to unmake Marvel Death:
https://i.imgur.com/wozy2wY.jpg
Corroborated in the 2015 Secret Wars OHOTMU:
https://i.imgur.com/RLB1tIJ.jpg
That said, I'm not sure if he'd have enough power to unmake *all* members of the Endless. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007Wasn't he still stronger than every other cosmic and had his fight with Owen after he erased Death?
Hard to say. The only way to perma-kill the Endless is to erase them at a conceptual level across the entire DC totality.Beyonder has the ability to unmake conceptual beings in such a way. However, it required a large portion of his power just to unmake Marvel Death:
https://i.imgur.com/wozy2wY.jpgCorroborated in the 2015 Secret Wars OHOTMU:
https://i.imgur.com/RLB1tIJ.jpgThat said, I'm not sure if he'd have enough power to unmake *all* members of the Endless. /shrug
Originally posted by MrMindHow would Death not be universal at the very least?
Good fight, all of Beyonder's most powerful fts were statement that was said by himselfback then the marvel cosmic structure was not as established as they were now. nobody short of TOAA would be able to deal with the entire family of Endless either.
Dream did some insane shit in overture. Destiny and Death are even more powerful than him
Beyonder did kill mistress death but it was not confirmed that mistress death was multiversal or universal in secret wars 2.
The endless are by nature multiversal aspects that came along right after the beginning of the creationI'd go with the Endless here
Originally posted by MindsetI mean, the other cosmic beings didn't try to directly oppose Beyonder after he dumped most of his power into the cup, which alludes to him still being more powerful. His fight with Owen took place after his full power had been restored, though.
Wasn't he still stronger than every other cosmic and had his fight with Owen after he erased Death?
*To clarify, I'm not saying that pre-retcon Beyonder isn't more powerful than the Endless. I'm just questioning his ability to actually beat them, if that makes sense... Because they cannot be beaten unless they are erased in a manner like I mentioned earlier.
^ It is true.
I'm talking about erasing the Endless entirely/permanently -- not just killing one of their physical manifestations, like Death did to Morpheus there. The latter only amounted to a momentary setback for Dream, as the concept had already assumed another host/form(ie. Daniel Hall) a few pages later:
Eh, I don't think you understand what I'm saying here.
And Destruction still embodies his namesake concept, like the others do:
He simply had a proverbial change of heart(after 10 billion years), and abandoned his realm so that destruction could proceed/evolve on its own. IOW, the concept can still go on without his direct influence, but he still embodies it regardless.
Originally posted by Galan007
He simply had a proverbial change of heart(after 10 billion years), and abandoned his realm so that destruction could proceed/evolve on its own. IOW, the concept can still go on without his direct influence, but he still embodies it regardless.
But let's go back to Morpheus, there was a brief period of time after Morpheus died and before Daniel used the gem, where the Dreaming didn't have a host, right? Consequently, the Dreaming can exist without a host.
Originally posted by AstnerNot exactly.
Fair enough.But let's go back to Morpheus, there was a brief period of time after Morpheus died and before Daniel used the gem, where the Dreaming didn't have a host, right? Consequently, the Dreaming can exist without a host.
Before Morpheus went off to confront the Furies, he left the Eagle Stone(which contained a portion of his essence) with baby Daniel:
So you might say that Morpheus was never completely destroyed, because a portion of him still existed in that stone. IOW, the Dreaming was technically never without a host.
