Originally posted by zopzopNone of those attacks hurt her as she even says Havoks attack didn't hurt her, and Dazzlers attack didn't phase her either.
Let's post this the whole thing in context shall we?
Havok attacked her, Psylocke mindphucked her, then Dazzler blasted her and Colossus pinned her (he had the advantage cause he had all the leverage).
Do you think Rogue is stronger than Colossus?
Originally posted by darthgoober
To which I'd respond by posting a scan of Absorbing Man saying that taking on Masterson Thor is easier than trading hits with Titania 😄
Originally posted by zopzop
It was in Avengers Annual 15 and it had nothing to do with moving an unconscious Blob.Blob was a beast in this issue. This was the attack that hurt him more than anything else in this issue and it happened toward the beginning of the fight before he went up against these other guys :
He went up against Hawkeye and Silver Centurion Iron Man and withstood their attacks :
Withstood punches from Hercules and Herc coulnd't break free from Blob's 'grip' :
It took multiple blows from an enraged Wonder Man to KO him and ONLY BECAUSE he never fully recovered from Wasp attacking his inner ear!
Originally posted by juggernaut74
None of those attacks hurt her as she even says Havoks attack didn't hurt her, and Dazzlers attack didn't phase her either.Do you think Rogue is stronger than Colossus?
Originally posted by zopzop
Talk is cheap. Replace Blob with Titania in these scans and she'd be a bloody smear :My point was, she was taking on the ENTIRE team in a training exercise (I notice how you just glossed over the fact that Psylocke was minphucking her during this). And even then only reason she couldn't break free from Colossus' grip is because he had the leverage.
As for the Avengers scans, it's a somewhat impressive showing but the only one to hit him in the head/face KO'd the guy. I have no problem admitting that if Titania spends the whole time attacking his torso she's going to get her ass kicked. Also, he didn't really "wthstand" Ironman's attack. He cried out in pain and was incapacitated long enough for Tony to go help someone else.
Originally posted by zopzopI wasn't trying trick anybody. NONE of those attacks actually hurt Rogue....at all. I think you may be lowballing her durability.
Talk is cheap. Replace Blob with Titania in these scans and she'd be a bloody smear :My point was, she was taking on the ENTIRE team in a training exercise (I notice how you just glossed over the fact that Psylocke was minphucking her during this). And even then only reason she couldn't break free from Colossus' grip is because he had the leverage.
And she couldn't break his grip because he was....you know stronger than her. She was even surprised at how strong he was.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both Masterson Thor and Titania got raped by Spidey 😛Same Spidey that Blob ignored till the web cartridge part.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Spidey gets crazy showings sometimes, no doubt. Look how easy Spock put down Wolverine or how badly Pete himself has beaten Rhino into a quivering heap. Spidey's not a good measuring stick to use.
Christopher Yost's Wolverine.
Same Wolverine who gets flash-KO'd by mere bullets. For what it's worth, he got up and put Spock in a chokehold.
Rhino has also beaten Peter to a bloody pulp on a few occasions.
~80 years of comics, everyone fluctuates a great deal. Most editors don't give a shit these days, sadly. If they ever really did.
Point is, at his best, Blob's face is just as invulnerable as the rest of his body... even Daredevil didn't do much when he tried to exploit that weakness - and DD wrecked Ultron with little help, lol.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Christopher Yost's Wolverine.Same Wolverine who gets flash-KO'd by mere bullets. For what it's worth, he got up and put Spock in a chokehold.
Rhino has also beaten Peter to a bloody pulp on a few occasions.
~80 years of comics, everyone fluctuates a great deal. Most editors don't give a shit these days, sadly. If they ever really did.
Point is, at his best, Blob's face is just as invulnerable as the rest of his body... even Daredevil didn't do much when he tried to exploit that weakness - and DD wrecked Ultron with little help, lol.
Originally posted by darthgooberI get what you're saying but I think Blob has a higher average.
You're right, there's a lot of variance between showings. So judging off a characters single best showing is a bad idea... ESPECIALLY if it's the character's single best showing ever and contradicts the established nature/limitations of his powers. Logic and common sense has to come into play, which is why I give it to Titania.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I get what you're saying but I think Blob has a higher average.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're right, there's a lot of variance between showings. So judging off a characters single best showing is a bad idea... ESPECIALLY if it's the character's single best showing ever and contradicts the established nature/limitations of his powers. Logic and common sense has to come into play, which is why I give it to Titania.
Two showings against Hercules, actually. Tanked his punches in one, headbutted him a few times in the other.
You need to prove how big of a weakness it is. Handbook brief desciption doesn't count for much.
Can't see Titania performing nearly as well against established bricks as Dukes did.
Originally posted by darthgooberI also get this point. That was how Wonderman took him down it looked.
Yeah but you have to look at the context of that average too. Every hero seems to forget about the nature of the Blob and waste their hits punching him in the gut. Their hands get stuck and he gets in free hits on them.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Two showings against Hercules, actually. Tanked his punches in one, headbutted him a few times in the other.You need to prove how big of a weakness it is. Handbook brief desciption doesn't count for much.
Can't see Titania performing nearly as well against established bricks as Dukes did.
Titania doesn't have the plot device torso invulnerability that every hero seems to try to test so I don't see her doing as well either, you'll get no argument from me there. But that's a fallacious ABC comparison that doesn't take into consideration that he has a particular invulnerability that heroes ALWAYS focus their attacks on for the sake of the plot.
Now I myself am not terribly familiar with the Blob and it's very possible that his vulnerability to shots in the face is massively overstated and always ignored by writers, in which case he may very well be able to take Titania. I'm simply saying that as someone with only a passing knowledge of each character, logic leads me to believe that Titania would take it.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
So in a nutshell you believe Rogue is stronger.
I believe their strength is very comparable, actually. Enough so the leverage played a major factor.
But hey, juggy... just for you:
🙂
Originally posted by juggernaut74
And she wasn't disoriented as she was fully aware of what was going on around her.
C'mon, she was also shot by Havok and Dazzler.