Originally posted by Darth ThorYeah, that same suit got taken by fking Star Lord of all people. It's painful seeing Spidey lose to people he should be stomping like Cap and Star Lord. I want to agree with Hulk and Rob, but I haven't been impressed by Holland Spidey.
In theory Iron Spider should win this. But in practice, Marvel Spider-Man seems to lose to everyone.
And Spidey was doing pretty well fighting Vulture on that plane as well. Then those ATM robbers but that's trivial.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Do they?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Seems to me Cap and Starlord straight up beat his ass.
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And in case we had any doubts, Iron Man confirms it in Homecoming. [/B]
Not bothered about Shocker and Vulture as they were both pretty low tier villains (even though Keaton himself was great).
Spidey actually did pretty decent against Giant Man, Ebony and Thanos. Like I said he fights well as part of a team against an Uber opponent, but 1 on 1 he has sucked against other Marvel heroes who shouldnt be on his level even without upgraded suits from Tony.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
* Spidey was kicking around Cap till Cap started adapting. And even then Cap won because he took out one of the supports of that jetbridge while Spidey was under it, aka using the environment
* Star Lord is a damn good quickdraw with decent reflexes. Plus he showed that he had tech powerful enough to restrain both Iron Man and Thanos. So how is it that bad to be restrained by his bolas?Cap a can get the better of him with skills and smarts yes. Beat him for a KO?
Imho, unless I see Cap doing it, seeing what all it took to actually "'lay out'"" Spidey, I'd say Cap doesn't have a prayer in knocking him out.
Okay. Is Cap not allowed to adapt to a new opponent? Important part is Spider couldnt adapt back when he started losing
Spider-Man should be faster than Star-Lord shouldnt he?
After Cap floored Spidey multiple times, you really think multiple full powered punches with his Shield wouldnt KO Spidey? And again In case we had any doubts that it was supposed to be PIS/CIS, Iron Man outright confirms it in Homecoming.
I only said Cap can't KO him, not that he can't beat him, or that him adapting is unfair. And there's also the fact that Tony was never witness to any of Spider Man's best durability showings.
Spidey got owned by Ebony Maw and Thanos. And Giant Man was this under slow guy who could barely get a hit on anyone but he took out Spidey without effort while falling down.
Spidey should be faster than Star Lord if we expect exact transition from recent comics or movies. As it stands, Star Lord has better speed and reflex feats than Spidey, which I am not bothered by.
And yes it goes without saying MCU Spidey does a lot of dumb things and isn't the best strategist. The point I was trying to make was that he's good at countering only straightforward attacks, so when Cap decided to go "" let him attack first which I will counter"" head helpless
However, in this fight he has a benefit of a ridiculously more tough armor's adding to his durability, which will help
Let's just agree to disagree if your only point is ""'Iron Man confirned it'""
Scott isn't really that slow in Giant-Man form. You have to factor scale into it. His limbs have to travel a distance several times greater than a normal person to reach, full extension, for example. So, while it does technically and visually take him longer to do these things, it's because he has to go further. For example, to stretch out your arm, the average person's fist has to travel what? 1.5 to 2 feet, approximately? In comparison, Scott's fist has to travel a several feet to accomplish the same effect, which will obviously take more time if he is still moving at human speed.
Similar with Godzilla. Godzilla looks slow as phuck most of the time. Yet it really isn't, which is clear to see if you look at any vids that actually calc its speed. It's just the speed relative to scale that is deceptive.
Which is why Transformers are actually stupid fast, if you think about it. Because despite being that enormous size, they still move with speed and agility relatively comparable to humans.
Well, it would kind of make him faster in some aspects but slower in others. For example, it'd probably be harder for him to take avoiding action against a large object. But his limb speed would be relatively quick. I mean just look at that clip I posted in the other thread. If you consider the length of his arm and the arc of the swing, he is moving a jet bridge a couple dozen feet in the space of a few seconds. Or the stomp just after looks slow, but it's coming down from like 15 feet up, compared to a fraction of the distance for a normal person.