Morlun vs. Weapon H

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Strange how you use what Herc does as a feat for Spidey, though.....

Nonetheless, the point still stands. You're using alt adamantium as some kind of proof or feat, but when Morlun does something against alt. Universe characters, all of a sudden it's inadmissible.....

Why not? Hes at the bare minimum as fast as the real deal but again, I'm debating against Darksaint so on average, Spiderman is Rhino, Daredevil speed.

I'm using the fact that Morlun got stabbed through by something that doesnt have the fts true adamantium have. Get it. Weapon H chops him in half.

Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Hes at the bare minimum as fast as the real deal but again, I'm debating against Darksaint so on average, Spiderman is Rhino, Daredevil speed.

I'm using the fact that Morlun got stabbed through by something that doesnt have the fts true adamantium have. Get it. Weapon H chops him in half.

And Morlun was too fast for him.

But didn't you say Spiderman was FTL? You're all over the place today. Are you drunk?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Spock is on bare minimum, as fast as the real deal to, right?

And Morlun was too fast for him.

But didn't you say Spiderman was FTL? You're all over the place today. Are you drunk?

I'm lit.

Spiderman and Spock do not share fts. I don't know how many times I can say this. Spiderman reacting to light speeds doesnt mean that Spock can. He isnt as close to being as good as Parker is with his body. And again, Rhino has tagged Spiderman along with others within this speed range. Can you remember those words please so that this speed debate can stop?

Morlun outreacting Spock who doesnt have Parker showings and again, has consistently been tagged by Rhino on average means that speed showing is irrelevant.

If this wasnt you that I was debating against, things would be different Saint, but this is the way you debate and this is what you're going to get. Daredevil level speed Spiderman. Rhino level speed Spiderman. Not impressed. With that said, Weapon H chips him in half.

And yet, strangely, in other threads, you use Hercules with Spiderman powers as a stand in for Spider-Man.....very strange.

Rhino actually has Silver Surfer level speed, as he's tagged Surfer

This is using your logic, btw 🙂

So Morlun > Spidey > Rhino > Silver Surfer.

Want me to quote your posts where you argue that Surfer is the fastest there is? As you seem a Marvel expert 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman is Rhino, Daredevil speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Morlun outreacting Spock who doesnt have Parker showings and again, has consistently been tagged by Rhino on average means that speed showing is irrelevant.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, strangely, in other threads, you use Hercules with Spiderman powers as a stand in for Spider-Man.....very strange.

Rhino actually has Silver Surfer level speed, as he's tagged Surfer

This is using your logic, btw 🙂

So Morlun > Spidey > Rhino > Silver Surfer.

Want me to quote your posts where you argue that Surfer is the fastest there is? As you seem a Marvel expert 🙂

I'm debating with YOU, so whatever I said in other threads to other people doesnt matter.

I can accept Surfer (with you) having Rhino level speeds.

This is using YOUR logic. I'm trying to find a middle ground here though. With that said, from what I am seeing, it's all about "no matter the character speed showings, we look at the lows and go from there". I dig it. So what's the conclusion?

Cheetah have human level speeds.
Superman have Batman level speeds (or Lady Shiva, your choice).
Surfer have Rhino level speeds.

Are you good with this? You're either a hypocrite or you are accepting things on all ends. Let me know.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
JFC

Outreacting his Spider-Sense which is an automatic passive ability, Ock's active speed feats in Parker's body are irrelevant the ability is the exact same since it's his body and it's passive never been trained or anything, it starts the warning signal exactly the same way it always did in Parker's body.

Ok.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm debating with YOU, so whatever I said in other threads to other people doesnt matter.

I can accept Surfer (with you) having Rhino level speeds.

This is using YOUR logic. I'm trying to find a middle ground here though. With that said, from what I am seeing, it's all about "no matter the character speed showings, we look at the lows and go from there". I dig it. So what's the conclusion?

Cheetah have human level speeds.
Superman have Batman level speeds (or Lady Shiva, your choice).
Surfer have Rhino level speeds.

Are you good with this? You're either a hypocrite or you are accepting things on all ends. Let me know.

Wait wait wait.

You're twisting my arguments lol.

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAYS THEYRE THE SAME.

MY STANCE IS THAT WE NEED TO ALSO TAKE SPACE CHEESE FEATS INTO ACCOUNT, AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON COMBAT FEATS ALONE.

Jesus bloody wept lol.

I am trying to show you, YOU, Carver9, that if a person ONLY focusses on combat feats, then stupid conclusions like human level Cheetah arises. Using YOUR Freaking logic lol.

I AM NOT FRICKIN SAYING ONLY LOW FEATS COUNT YOU IMBECILE

This is your post, in your own thread that you created:

Originally posted by carver9
That's not what I am saying. I accept fights more than anything.

Now, what does this mean?
Taken to it's logical conclusion, it means that since Steve Trevor has blitzed Cheetah, he's on her level at her lowest showing.

Her highest showing is blitzing Superman and Flash et so..

Therefore, her AVERAGE (as she only has like two or three showings) is somewhere in between.

Now do you frucking get it???? Her average HAS to be lower than Flash and Superman, because those two are >>>>>>humans.

This is all using YOUR LOGIC.

Jesus.....

Lol u guys are raging again

Let them, Hoodlisa. Let them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is your post, in your own thread that you created:

Now, what does this mean?
Taken to it's logical conclusion, it means that since Steve Trevor has blitzed Cheetah, he's on her level at her lowest showing.

Her highest showing is blitzing Superman and Flash et so..

Therefore, her AVERAGE (as she only has like two or three showings) is somewhere in between.

Now do you frucking get it???? Her average HAS to be lower than Flash and Superman, because those two are >>>>>>humans.

This is all using YOUR LOGIC.

Jesus.....

Read that sentence again. I said I accept fight MOREA, that doesnt mean I dont look at anything else.

What does frucking mean? By the way, can you post the Trevor showing you keep mentioning.

Let's not say her HIGHEST showing is blitzing Superman and Flash...let's say her showing is blitzing Flash and Superman. She consistently fight and does well and sometimes blitz Diana as well. Having speed is common for her.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Morlun was actually fast enough to beat the life out of Peter?

Originally posted by carver9
Read that sentence again. I said I accept fight MOREA, that doesnt mean I dont look at anything else.

Oh really?

Originally posted by carver9
With that said, you are correct, I don't use space cheese fts in combat threads

Originally posted by carver9
Any combat fts? You wouldnt give Hulk the edge over Darkseid even though Hulk space cheese>>>Darkseids.

Originally posted by carver9
Think people look more at lifting and space cheese fts than anything. Don't understand that

Originally posted by carver9
I already know the answer. I focus on combat showings but I'm trying to see if others are on the same page.

Let's not say her HIGHEST showing is blitzing Superman and Flash...let's say her showing is blitzing Flash and Superman. She consistently fight and does well and sometimes blitz Diana as well. Having speed is common for her.

Why not? Why can't we say that? How many showings has she had in N52? Use both hands if necessary. List them all. Then we can see her average.

@Stoic: There is that too. But I guess Carver forgot that.

There's a feat in Morlun's first story where he's so fast that Pete was suprised and said: Nobody can be that fast.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
There's a feat in Morlun's first story where he's so fast that Pete was suprised and said: Nobody can be that fast.

Yeah, he was Pete's Gorgon...

Anyway, going by his limited durability against piercing attacks, vibranium shrapnel should've reduced him to minced meat... hell, maybe it did, we didn't see shit till he emerged from the dust.

Again, he's a supernatural opponent that couldn't be handled without a plot device of some sort. He probably can recover from damn near anything as long as he's fed, is nowhere in the vicinity of specific radiation type and doesn't get life drain used on himself.

There was some context to Solus dying so easily to Spider-Kaine, right? Or not?

Spider Kaine was the Other who was fated to kill him or something....

This thread is literally "Carver arguments against DC characters" vs "Carver arguments for Marvel characters"

Darksaint could just quote carver posts and let him argue with himself.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, he was Pete's Gorgon...

Anyway, going by his limited durability against piercing attacks, vibranium shrapnel should've reduced him to minced meat... hell, maybe it did, we didn't see shit till he emerged from the dust.

Again, he's a supernatural opponent that couldn't be handled without a plot device of some sort. He probably can recover from damn near anything as long as he's fed, is nowhere in the vicinity of specific radiation type and doesn't get life drain used on himself.

There was some context to Solus dying so easily to Spider-Kaine, right? Or not?

"Spider-Man is Rhino level speed"

Hulk is boa constrictor level speed :v

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm not even arguing for a win for Morlun I've said several times that it's shitty to place Morlun against higher tier characters because he never really fought any (alt Genis being the exception and ironically easily took him out too) all we've seen is him taking on metas and rolling all over them and Wakanda, so far he hasn't really shown an upper limit. That of course does not mean he doesn't have any but it's terrible to quantify. I wouldn't say for example he'd beat Thor but would I see Thor walking through Wakanda like Morlun did? Certainly not. Threads like these are terrible and I usually stay out of them it's just Carter's "argumentation" that got my attention.

"Spider-Man is Rhino level speed"

Hulk is boa constrictor level speed :v

Lol... I've argued for Spiderman speed on numerous of occasions. It's terrible starting in the middle of an argument because you miss out on a lot. Please read back to see why I said what I said. Boo.