Originally posted by Surtur
So if Thanos has thunderclapped he could win.
Well Hulk has thunderclapped. And Thanos was clearly stronger than Hulk and a superior tactician/combatant. So it should be on the cards.
That said technically these guys should be able to outrun a thunderclap. And Zoom/RF dont suffer the same PIS/CIS as the hero speedsters do.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Zoom/RF dont suffer the same PIS/CIS as the hero speedsters do.
Maybe not Zoom, but RF has, by virtue of being a main villain across multiple shows, racked up a few bad PIS showings by now. Like being unable to take out the Legends during the one finale, even with an army of time remnants, or being solo'd by Atom during the last crossover.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Hulk has thunderclapped. And Thanos was clearly stronger than Hulk and a superior tactician/combatant. So it should be on the cards.That said technically these guys should be able to outrun a thunderclap. And Zoom/RF dont suffer the same PIS/CIS as the hero speedsters do.
I personally agree, but for some here extrapolation based on other feats is a no no.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Maybe not Zoom, but RF has, by virtue of being a main villain across multiple shows, racked up a few bad PIS showings by now. Like being unable to take out the Legends during the one finale, even with an army of time remnants, or being solo'd by Atom during the last crossover.
For the most part I felt they treated him like a pretty invincible villain.
It was only because he specifically Chose not to kill them that they got such opportunities. He even tells them: I could kill you all in a blink of an eye...
Dont remember Atom soloing RF, but im guessing he was take by surprise. Generally it was made clear the Legends were no match for him at all.
RF not wanting to kill them didn't really factor into this. This is pure PIS.
Same with the Atom showing, as even though he was in tiny mode initially, a Speedster as fast as RF should still have easily been able to react to him.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
RF not wanting to kill them didn't really factor into this. This is pure PIS.Same with the Atom showing, as even though he was in tiny mode initially, a Speedster as fast as RF should still have easily been able to react to him.
Even more bizarre is the guy has feats of snapping necks of folk before they can even react. lol
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
RF not wanting to kill them didn't really factor into this. This is pure PIS.Same with the Atom showing, as even though he was in tiny mode initially, a Speedster as fast as RF should still have easily been able to react to him.
Just got a chance to watch the whole video now. My memory on it was fazy.
RF and his Time remnants actually took out Steel relatively quickly in that. So this Flash cant even take out a Gorilla argument is pure nonsense.
Sure Atom landed a good hit on 1 of them. And yeah that was pure PIS. But with that many time remnants does it really matter? They are probably just bull rushing because they can afford to.
Honestly going by that scene I think RF might solo Thanos. He certainly would if hes allowed to use Time Remnants. In that case we could even allow some PIS as Thanos could even kill a couple of them, but ultimately it wouldnt matter.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerlol at everything especially the acting.
RF not wanting to kill them didn't really factor into this. This is pure PIS.Same with the Atom showing, as even though he was in tiny mode initially, a Speedster as fast as RF should still have easily been able to react to him.
It's still a terrible showing for RF. And the other one I was referring to is this:
I feel like Ray gave up any significant element of surprise when he shouted at Thawne while still in tiny mode. But does RF react and blitz him? No, he reacts like Doc Brown would if he accidentally set his own hair on fire.
Which is all the more retarded, considering this:
^ Oh come on. He was in the middle of a surgery so not combat ready. He was clearly taken off guard.
The second video clearly shows what happens in a PISless situation.
Seems to me the terrible showings for RF are just him not killing his opponents as quickly as he should.
Aside from that if the surgery one is one of his lowest showings, then thats not bad at all. Id personally say Fox QS being taken out by a sonic gun is worse.
So unless Thanos is going to attack RF when hes attempting surgery, and jump up on him from small size, I really dont see how any of these low showings are relevant here.
With Flash or Supergirl where they are hit on a consistent and weekly basis its more of an issue.
He's literally hundreds, if not thousands, of times faster than Ray, in terms of perception and reflexes (not even getting into actual speed). Not combat ready is no excuse for a Speedster, especially as Ray literally shouted before even going full size, giving him a moment's warning. But anyway, there is a reason why I label it a PIS showing. Because it's just that. PIS. Not a true representation of how things would normally go. And unless stated otherwise by the OP, PIS is off anyway.
Plus, the days where Barry gets hit by non-Speedsters are the outliers at this point. Sure, he does still get tagged on occasion, but most often the opponent has some kind of hax power (like Hazard who could affect luck, or Kilgore, who could mess with his suit), or facing an uber opponent, like Thinker... Or being benched via the absolute worst TV court hearing of all time.
^ Like I said, with RF its more of a case of he gets taken by surprise when he shouldnt be, or he doesnt kill his opponents as quickly as he should. And even those cases are pretty rare (for the former at least).
Its not a case of consistent Poor combat showings like Barry had in S1 and S2.
Yes thankfully Barrys PIS low showings are also an outlier now. But it should be expected more from heroes anyway, as heroes will generally hold back a lot.