that's an interesting take. he was at one time an expression of the fear everyone had of nuclear weapons and uncontrolled science. but he has changed so often and had so many incarnations going back feels almost disingenuous at this point. i almost agree with sin--thor and hulk just feel really rudderless, and have felt that way now for....a few years.
Originally posted by carver9
Marvel is doing great with both tbh. What's wrong with them?
Thor doesnt have any focus. He's just drifting from issue to issue without solving his inner problems. His ownage by Nick Fury has lasted way to long. And although i liked Jane he suffered for her to succeed. That's not how you treat legacy characters. They should have just killed him off again instead of forcing him and us to endure a mjolnir-less Thor.
Hulk has been the same...Pak destroyed the character. He's been all over characterization wise. Atleast he was dead during most of Chos nonsense but i think hes going the right direction now. With his solo series. More grounded. More horror inspired, edgy banter. It's a good take...
Originally posted by Damborgson
The Destroyer, powered by a fairly weakned Freya, which after readying it again I assume was meant to mean something given how Mangog brought it up as a factor, is who lost to Mangog.The strongest Mangog of all time, supposedly. Then Jason Aaron shit the bed and had him die to a sun, which is why everything previous seemed less impressive.
But aside from that, the Destroyer is almost spotless in his record. He can carve Mjolnir, his disintegration ray can kill Thor and the like, tough as nails, hits like a ton of bricks, magic versatility aside from his blasts, etc. The Hulk is still outclassed.
If you think about it, a sun is supposed to be able to kill anyone who’s power level tops out at mountain busting level.
Mangog could never destroy a planet or a moon with a single blow or even after several blows.
The pressure in the core (I don’t know the pressure outside the core but inside the sun) is about 2 billion tons per square inch. Pushing a hypodermic needle (with with 50lb. of force) through something gives roughly 1600 tons per square inch. So Wolverine (who supplies more force) could easily be applying tens of thousands of tons of pressure when he is stabbing something. The hardest man metals known to man can’t withstand such pressure. The tensile strength of titanium is just about 35 tons per square inch I believe. That’s why Wolverine can pierce most shit with his natural strength. It makes sense.
But that is a far cry from 2 billion tons per inch. If Wolverine can cut something then there is no way that thing is surviving the pressure of the core of the sun.
So dying in the core of a sun is not a low showing. It’s a stupid showing for a character (not capable of casual planet destroying) to resist the core.
Re: Asgardian Destroyer vs Current Hulk
Originally posted by leonidas
maestro is in the armor again and hates that the new hulk thinks HE is the man. maestro comes back to end him. hulk as seen recently in the CHALLENGER avengers arc and beyond.maestro in the armor almost killed the hulk once--can he do it again?
I'm sure this isn't the intent of the topic, but didn't Hulk win because the Destroyer saw them as the same person (since technically they were) and took Hulk in too and he won the..... whatever you want to call it? Unless I'm wrong about how it went, you didn't specify against it, so hypothetically it could happen again (but I can also see it not being Professor Hulk it not seeing them as the same)
Or is current Hulk not even Banner? I haven't caught up.