Ares vs. Arkon

Ares would beat him to death with his own arm if he got the chance. I'm giving him a very slight majority here. Akron could win if he were able to keep it at distance.

Originally posted by zopzop
I read just fine. And I provided additional proof in terms of the potency of the Hydra poison. Thanks for playing.

the fight with ares was the next issue, after the poison was burned out of him. if you want to play a game, here you go--prove that herc was weakened in that battle with ares. show....anything at all to suggest he was weak because he had some pretty great durability feats during his fight. he'd recovered fine and was trying to stop amadeus when ares surprise attacked him, but....so? anyway, i'll wait patiently while you continue to play your losing game.

arkon is terrible, he MAY be in colossus's class, or ben's, but it tops out at that and ares kills him. not hard.

at celey--the hydra blood drives herc into his own warrior madness/berserker rage. very similar to thor's. he seems unable to feel pain or really be stopped. it most certainly doesn't weaken him at all. lol

he had a fight where he destroyed simon with ease, yet somehow he was weak during his battle with ares? herc HAS trashed ares in the past. this was a good feat for ares who HAS similar feats in his past though. this is zopping at its best is all. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it doesn't weaken him any. It drives him into a bloodlust. Which was Ares' plan:

It makes him mad with pain, and he goes into warrior mode (and hallucinating). He's not going to pull his punches.

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches?

Originally posted by Raptor22
Honest question. How is Hercs state here different from a mind controlled character like superman when he was controlled by Maxwell Lord in pretty much the same bloodlusted mind set as herc was when he was poisoned by the venom?

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches?

Also notable: he looked just about fully healed during his fight with Ares. He had at most a few blemishes.

The Hydra poison wasn’t meant to kill Hercules as an immortal, or really even weaken him. Besides, most of it was burnt off before the Ares fight due to Hecules’ healing factor.

And Ares looked way more competitive imo. If Akron pissed off Hercules as much Ares did, I think he’d be a bloody smear on the pavement.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Honest question. How is Hercs state here different from a mind controlled character like superman when he was controlled by Maxwell Lord in pretty much the same bloodlusted mind set as herc was when he was poisoned by the venom?

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches?

Because fighting WW and fighting DD requires different tactics.

It's like fighting Bruce Lee, vs a bear. One is fine to go wild on, but going crazy on a highly trained martial artist isn't the best tactic.

@rage. i think that is very clear to most. 👆 again, arkon couldn't beat THUNDRA. he's also been easily ko'd by thing. he would be competitive against ares for a little bit, but ares would win this h2h every time. how does an arkon thread go so long....? lol

When did he fight Thing? Not sure if I saw that one.

Originally posted by leonidas
again, arkon couldn't beat THUNDRA.

he's also been easily ko'd by thing. he would be competitive against ares for a little bit, but ares would win this h2h every time. how does an arkon thread go so long....? lol

I'm trying to track down scans of Arkon fighting Hyperion but I can't remember what issue it was. I think Hyperion may have been weakened but at the same time he had some magical protection and Arkon was mind controlled.

Originally posted by leonidas

at celey--the hydra blood drives herc into his own warrior madness/berserker rage. very similar to thor's. he seems unable to feel pain or really be stopped. it most certainly doesn't weaken him at all. lol

the pain from the hydra blood is what caused Hercules to go crazy. He was talking about it when he was hallucinating with Cho. He definitely was feeling pain

Don’t think we can say for certain it did or didn’t have an impact on his strength

👆

It def affects his fighting efficacy, as Black Widow sees when he's swinging wildly in the air at imaginary assailants.

Doesn't mean his blows are any weaker.

We can’t say that for certain though. Being in constant pain to the point where it makes you go mad would definitely have an effect on your body....but as Hercules said he is immortal so who knows exactly what if or any impact it has on his strength. Makes it questionable

The poison was burned off later but we don’t know if he was diminished from the process when he fought ares again

Plus, we're applying 'RL' logic....hey, imagine if YOU were in intense pain etc etc.

But this is an immortal Greek demigod, lol. Who lifts the heavens or whatever.....even at what, 50%? 80%? He's still going to be pretty hardcore.

But when Hydra blood was used against him with the shirt, he was still strong enough to kill his wife and child iirc, when maddened.

This all started because someone said he was weakened. When,as you point out, we can't say for certain. He was still strong and fast enough to tear the helicarrier apart, get cars smashed on him, catch missiles on mid flight etc etc...

Not stronger than Colossus though

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, we're applying 'RL' logic....hey, imagine if YOU were in intense pain etc etc.

But this is an immortal Greek demigod, lol. Who lifts the heavens or whatever.....even at what, 50%? 80%? He's still going to be pretty hardcore.

But when Hydra blood was used against him with the shirt, he was still strong enough to kill his wife and child iirc, when maddened.

This all started because someone said he was weakened. When,as you point out, we can't say for certain. He was still strong and fast enough to tear the helicarrier apart, get cars smashed on him, catch missiles on mid flight etc etc...

Yeah that’s why I said since herc is immortal it may or may not have an impact on him physically. Merely saying we can’t say either way if he was or wasn’t.

Hercules doesn’t have to be 100% to do those feats. He wasn’t completely diminsihed but just puts a question mark on it

I used to think this forum's biases were revealed by DC vs Marvel threads but now I think everyone is either an Ares or a Colossus guy. KM is coming out Colossus

Simon straight up beat Arkon too.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/West-Coast-Avengers-1985/Issue-31?id=40282

He did, but he clearly worked for it.

BTW do you know what issue Arkon fought Hyperion in? It's fairly recent, Hyperion wasn't at full power but at the same time had magical protection iirc.