If QS' best showing is moving in time stop, he loses.
Post-crisis Supes casually moved through apokoliptan time stop tech.
Hell, post-crisis Supes has casually moved through time loops.
Several Green Lanterns while flying at top speed weren't able to enter Darkseid's multiversal dimension or what have you. They were stuck in a time loop and stayed in the same spot.
Supes got through no problem on his own sheer speed. When wally and Barry had to run side by side faster than they have ever gone before to enter.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
If QS' best showing is moving in time stop, he loses.Post-crisis Supes casually moved through apokoliptan time stop tech.
Hell, post-crisis Supes has casually moved through time loops.
Several Green Lanterns while flying at top speed weren't able to enter Darkseid's multiversal dimension or what have you. They were stuck in a time loop and stated in the same spot.
Supes got through no problem on his own sheer speed. When wally and Barry had to run side by side faster than they have ever gone before to enter.
Is moving in time stop the same as jogging around the world casually seeing everything frozen for long periods of time.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Yeah, really.Plus he has some other uber feats.
Can't seem to see it.
Originally posted by -Pr-He was amped when he threw himself out of normal time space [without meaning to] and now he can't get back [because he can't control it]
If Pietro can separate himself from time a la Zoom, then he should be able to win. If it's a flat foot race, then Superman has to contend with the fact that he's still subject to all the laws of physics.Also, kindly stay on topic, please.
Suffice to say, it's no applicable here.
And most people here already know this, but they like to be stuck in an ignorance loop.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He was amped when he threw himself out of normal time space [without meaning to] and now he can't get back [because he can't control it]
The said "amp" is misleading word here, it was nothing but merely Wanda and Synapse unlocking his mental blocks which held back his speed.
Plus, he can do it again, all it has to take is him running at full speed to do so in order to get the same results, as for not getting out, the reason he doesn't get out of it, is because he can't calm himself down in simple terms.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Suffice to say, it's no applicable here.
Rather very applieable, all he has to do is replicate what made him unstuck himself from time in a first place, and the replication part is simple, just run at full speed and boom.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIHe needed external help to reach that speed. That's an amp.
The said "amp" is misleading word here, it was nothing but merely Wanda and Synapse unlocking his mental blocks which held back his speed.Plus, he can do it again, all it has to take is him running at full speed to do so in order to get the same results, as for not getting out, the reason he doesn't get out of it, is because he can't calm himself down in simple terms.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIThere's no evidence he can replicate it without the external help.
Rather very applieable, all he has to do is replicate what made him unstuck himself from time in a first place, and the replication part is simple, just run at full speed and boom.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
If QS' best showing is moving in time stop, he loses.Post-crisis Supes casually moved through apokoliptan time stop tech.
Hell, post-crisis Supes has casually moved through time loops.
Several Green Lanterns while flying at top speed weren't able to enter Darkseid's multiversal dimension or what have you. They were stuck in a time loop and stayed in the same spot.
Supes got through no problem on his own sheer speed. When wally and Barry had to run side by side faster than they have ever gone before to enter.
I have already posted showings of Superman utterly failing to move in time stop, and needing Waverider's help to actually move.
Time loops are not the same thing as slowing down time (which Superman enocuntered once, but he was nearly dead exhausted after the experience) and time stop, not really much of a speed feat
First of all Apokolips is not multiversal dimension, it's solar system sized, second, that's dimesnional barrier breaking feat, not really a speed feat, but rather vibrating as specific frequency to enter other worlds, it's basically the same thing when Flash vibrates to enter other worlds like Earth 2 and etc... not exactly a speed feat, but rather properly vibrating.
As for Wally and Barry part, that's just nonsense.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He needed external help to reach that speed. That's an amp.
Except it's not your traditional type of amp, mental blocks work differently, and the reason those things were there in a first place was because of Quicksilver's own fear which subconsciously fueled those specific blocks (as stated in Avengers: No Surrender story arc).
Those blocks were removed PERNAMENTLY, unless of course fear once again overwhelms QS thus bringing back those blocks once again. So far there is no evidence to assume that those blocks have returned.
Even Wanda with help from Brother Voodoo and Avengers couldn't "Slow" down Quicksilver in that series with her magic, because it was Quicksilver's own WILL and lack of actually being calm which keep at that level.
For the same character with who broke those mental blocks not being able to reverse the effects of it (ie return those blocks back), even though she had help. The hints are strongly favoring that blocks were removed PERNAMENTLY, simple as that.
Originally posted by Philosophía
There's no evidence he can replicate it without the external help.
Sorry, but the evidence is specificly showcased by the fact that mental blocks were shut down thus giving his access to his full speed. IT IS up to you PROVE that those blocks have returned thus limiting QS's speed, so far there is no evidence of that aspect.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
CIS/CIP is still in effect, no?So if it IS mental blocks holding him back, or lack of calm or whatever....he surely can't replicate it?
Especially if it needed Synapse to do it
1. Mental blocks merely limiting his speed, those were removed by Wanda and Synapse, PERNAMENTLY, in QS's series, she tried to "slow" down QS she even had help from Doctor Voodoo and other Avengers, didn't work out so well at all.
2. His lack of calm prevents him from SLOWING down to normal level, it was basically the explanation as to why he is still unstuck from time.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIThis is not true. As with, well, most of the stuff you post.
Except it's not your traditional type of amp, mental blocks work differently, and the reason those things were there in a first place was because of Quicksilver's own fear which subconsciously fueled those specific blocks (as stated in Avengers: No Surrender story arc).
You don't know how to read comics. Let me help you.
Quicksilver: "I can't catch it on my own"
and Wanda flat-out states: "Brother, even if I could use my magic to help [...] I don't know what will happen if you move beyond the limits of your powers."
i.e. Wanda's magic moved him beyond the speed his powers allow him to.
https://78.media.tumblr.com/407545722c0f7be2497d7c29536f9eaa/tumblr_p7138ocO7w1ru09bvo1_500.jpg
I will repeat this slow:
BEEEEYOOOOND
THEEEE
LIIIIMIIITS
OFFFF
HIIISSSS
POWEEEERRRR
The problem was that his mind would block him from accessing a speed Wanda would give him, beyond his own powers [i.e. Wanda's magic], so Synapse had to alter his mind:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/3805afee0acdab1ef05d41c47c6dfa40/tumblr_p7138ocO7w1ru09bvo2_500.jpg
So, and I will talk slowly in order so that you get this:
It.
Was.
A.
Combination.
Of.
Magical speed amplification
and
Telepathic mind-alteration
in.
order.
for.
Quicksilver.
To.
Go.
That.
Fast.
There. You should now get it.
If only removing mental blocks was needed, Synapse would have sufficed.
Furthermore.
Synapse had to alter his mind throughout the entire trip, and it was stated that she kept in contact right until the end:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/7e/b6/2a7eb6bd1f7407c50b1f536982daac2f.jpg
"You were linked to Quicksilver in those final moments".
So it wasn't just a 'switch' that she turned off, then she went on her way. It has to be active.
You can see them both, as Quicksilver is running, constantly using their power:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/87/c5/2187c5714ec219343d25e3d6ffcb7f11.jpg
Needless to say, Quicksilver has neither Scarlet Witch's magic, nor Synapse's telepathy to replicate that.
Do I need to go slower?
