SoR Revan vs TPM Maul

Started by The Ellimist2 pages

uhhh that was like before Plagueis had even met Palpatine, and waaaay before his power peaked. Indeed, one of the main themes of the novel was that Plagueis later realized he could actually do all of that stuff by himself just through willpower despite having no talent for sorcery and no instruction in any of it.

By willpower, I'm pretty sure Plagueis meant MM, as he's able to give himself abilities he otherwise cannot do, lmao.

The fact it's pre-prime is obviously irrelevant, given it's still set after Plagueis killed Tenebrous.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
and no instruction in any of it.

Although the fact you seem to agree Plagueis has no instruction on how to teleport really makes it nigh-implausible Maul knows how, lmao.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
What does that even mean?

It's about activation time, and more generally how the dynamics of teleportation interact on a practical level with someone consistently trying to close the gap against you. It's not necessarily enough to just say that teleportation is "easy" and "fast" to activate - there has to be some limit or else Revan would just spam it almost 100% of every fight instead of going up to Satele Shan and dueling her per the trailer.

If Revan is dealing with a rapid flurry of lightsaber strikes at close quarters, does he have to let his guard down for half a second to teleport? Can he afford to do this? This is hardly some sort of pedantic question when we know that it isn't casual to just use other Force powers like TK and lightning in the middle of an intense duel, or see Zannah not initially being able to pull off her sorcery in the RoT duel because the Jedi were attacking her too ferociously. That Revan has done it in close quarters doesn't mean he can just do it all the time (aka Maul has used TK in close quarters too, but it isn't 100% of the time effective).

Revan has explicitly shown to be able to teleport in the midst of combat over five times, and Dread Master Tyrans has shown the ability to teleport multiple times in the span of a second.

So, it's clear the limit isn't based on an inability to use it in battle or a timer between uses, so it's perfectly eligible against Maul (not that Revan will need it). Like any Force power, it's obviously still taxing, and if there's no good reason to use it, then there's no reason to use it. Revan teleporting to the other side of the Forgotten Terrace is irrelevant if he can just grip and throw Shan instead, for instance.

In the midst of saber combat?

Most of the times Revan (or the Dread Masters) uses teleportation is to disengage from saber combat to an area where there's no combatants.

Then I suppose it's possible for Revan to successfully disengage from saber combat against Maul and then do so a few more times (as I don't think Revan can easily put Maul down with the Force), though it doesn't seem 100% clear to me because if we accept that Maul is a deadlier duelist than anyone Revan has faced, he can't necessarily disengage safely from him just because he can against Satele Shan. But if he can, he has the edge in this fight. Without teleportation he's in trouble at a short enough distance because Maul IMHO has far superior dueling feats.

Either way if the starting distance is great enough Revan has greater offensive Force abilities, so he would win in most situations.

It's not a matter of disengaging from Satele Shan, it's a matter of disengaging from Satele Shan, Darth Marr, Lana Beniko, the Outlander, and a number of non Force-sensitives firing blasters, missiles, and explosives at him, and ships running bombing runs against him, which he does multiple times over, lmao.

Well obviously the ships aren't bombing him at the same time he's engaged in a duel, and I doubt the smugglers are shooting missiles at him then either. But I probably agree with your general point.

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except it was a nexus 🙂

Glad you agree.

And I don't see why super sci-fi targeting computers or the best gun-fighters in the galaxy couldn't shoot as Revan's fighting, lmao.

Targeting technology in Star Wars is kinda inconsistent. It goes from being sub-civil war ironclad tier to way beyond the limits of physics. But tomato tomato.

Dread Master Raptus offensively teleported numerous Force-users to him. Revan's a tier beyond him. Maul gets teleported onto Revan's blade.

Teleportation? Really?

How far and how fast can he teleport?

Revan murks.

Give Darth Maul a partner (i.e. Savage Opress) and Revan still murks.