MCU: Hela vs. Doctor Strange

Originally posted by FrothByte
Has Hulk ever fought a fully-powered Thor? No? Then your comparisons are incorrect since Hela fought a fully powered Thor.

The military might of Thanos had troubles conquering the city of Wakanda, it's not really that impressive when you think about it.

It is a nation not a city. This is the problem here that you conflate the two ignore that it is the most advanced nation on marvel earth and that the avengers were there and were saved by the arrival of Thor and his new upgraded weapon.

That is not the entirety of his military might also. Just a portion of his infantry and a few ships.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes in avengers 1 and in Ragnarok. When was he depowered? Thor never bested him. Not only that fully powered Thor did not fare well against Thanos at the beginning of the film.

It is a nation not a city. This is the problem here that you conflate the two ignore that it is the most advanced nation on marvel earth and that the avengers were there and were saved by the arrival of Thor and his new upgraded weapon.

That is not the entirety of his military might also. Just a portion of his infantry and a few ships.

Let me rephrase so there's no confusion: Has Hulk ever fought a Thor who already had fully unlocked his powers like Hela fought at the end of Ragnarok?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me rephrase so there's no confusion: Has Hulk ever fought a Thor who already had fully unlocked his powers like Hela fought at the end of Ragnarok?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loaded question. We see he had access to his lightning with his hammer at the time of avengers 1. We also know he used lightning to amp his attacks in the arena. Thor had two cracks at the Hulk he never won. At some point you have to accept the two are a close matchup with each other. Thanos is above both.

No, it's not a loaded question, it's a simple question. Hela fought a Thor who had fully unlocked his thundergod powers, has Hulk ever fought Thor at the same level?

Hulk faced him for a brief moment in their arena fight and was completely helpless against that Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, it's not a loaded question, it's a simple question. Hela fought a Thor who had fully unlocked his thundergod powers, has Hulk ever fought Thor at the same level?

Hulk faced him for a brief moment in their arena fight and was completely helpless against that Thor.

No, he was not. Thor is more skilled and connected due to that. Hulk withstood it and was ready for more. Your use of the word helpless is a huge stretch just like when you called wakanda a city. You need to be a little more familiar with the MCU.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor learned how to channel them without the hammer. He used the hammer prior to and was unable to best the hulk. He had full access to his lightning then. He also discovered he could use lightning against the hulk without his hammer. He still did not defeat the Hulk. Your opinion is fine but it does not change their two fights aka the facts.

No, he was not. Thor is more skilled and connected due to that. Hulk withstood it and was ready for more. Your use of the word helpless is a huge stretch just like when you called wakanda a city. You need to be a little more familiar with the MCU.

Oh, are we going into passive-aggressive insults already? Fine, have it your way.

When has Thor ever used lightning on Hulk where Hulk actually managed to put up a decent fight against Thor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh, are we going into passive-aggressive insults already? Fine, have it your way.

When has Thor ever used lightning on Hulk where Hulk actually managed to put up a decent fight against Thor?

Hulk fought him in the arena and he is skill wise outclassed by Thor. It was not lightning alone but the fact Thor has the momentum of jumping and landed his blow while the Hulk did not. He always had the strength to hurt the Hulk. You cannot use a few segments of the fight and ignore the totality to make your case. Look at all the facts not just a small portion of the fight. We see how quickly in both fights the momentum can change.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh this is silly. You are going the way of what if Thor did this or that type nonsense. He lightning amped and jump punched Hulk. It rocked him but did not ko him. Who is the toughest being Thor defeated by his lightning alone? He was killing guys machine guns ended in Ragnarok. The biggest lightning blast ever did nothing to Hela so really what are you clinging to.

Hulk fought him in the arena and he is skill wise outclassed by Thor. It was not lightning alone but the fact Thor has the momentum of jumping and landed his blow while the Hulk did not. He always had the strength to hurt the Hulk. You cannot use a few segments of the fight and ignore the totality to make your case. Look at all the facts not just a small portion of the fight. We see how quickly in both fights the momentum can change.

Let me break this down for you so you can understand:

The Thor that Hulk fought was not at the same power level as the Thor that Hela fought. Therefore comparing the two fights is not valid. Furthermore, Thor never used his full powerset when fighting Hulk. The two times Thor used lightning amped punches hurt Hulk far more than any two of Thanos's punches hurt Hulk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me break this down for you so you can understand:

The Thor that Hulk fought was not at the same power level as the Thor that Hela fought. Therefore comparing the two fights is not valid. Furthermore, Thor never used his full powerset when fighting Hulk. The two times Thor used lightning amped punches hurt Hulk far more than any two of Thanos's punches hurt Hulk.

Again most of this is your opinion which you cannot prove.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had access to his lightning with his hammer. So yes he fought him with access to his lightning. Thanos beat him soundly. Thanos won now you claim something you cannot prove which is pain level. How do you know Hulk felt more pain in that scene.

Again most of this is your opinion which you cannot prove.

Thor never used his lightning on Hulk. Because only a complete idiot would use lightning in an enclosed aircraft filled with friendlies.

Thanos beat Hulk soundly, yes. Thor is a different matter.

My claim is backed up by oncscreen feats. Hulk was thrown a greater distance from one of Thor's amped punches than any single punch from Thanos. Hulk was groggy and had took some time to get up after said Thor punch whereas Hulk, although pained from Thanos's hits, weren't even knocked down from a single hit.

These are facts.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor never used his lightning on Hulk. Because only a complete idiot would use lightning in an enclosed aircraft filled with friendlies.

Thanos beat Hulk soundly, yes. Thor is a different matter.

My claim is backed up by oncscreen feats. Hulk was thrown a greater distance from one of Thor's amped punches than any single punch from Thanos. Hulk was groggy and had took some time to get up after said Thor punch whereas Hulk, although pained from Thanos's hits, weren't even knocked down from a single hit.

These are facts.

Thor did not even budge Thanos with a cheapshot. It was sad tbh.

Thrown a greater distance does not equal greater pain. You could throw someone five feet or break their jaw with a punch and they do not go back at all. What hurts more? Come on, Froth. You cannot prove it you think your opinion is proof. Thanos put him out. Thor did not. Hulk recovered and Thor had lightning and more momentum to boot. Despite those he still did not defeat Hulk.

You ignore the variables, the outcome, use logic that is silly and easily disprovable and pretend your opinion on pain level you cannot prove is a fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So more opinion of yours to back your opinion.

Thor did not even budge Thanos with a cheapshot. It was sad tbh.

Thrown a greater distance does not equal greater pain. You could throw someone five feet or break their jaw with a punch and they do not go back at all. What hurts more? Come on, Froth. You cannot prove it you think your opinion is proof. Thanos put him out. Thor did not. Hulk recovered and Thor had lightning and more momentum to boot. Despite those he still did not defeat Hulk.

You ignore the variables, the outcome, use logic that is silly and easily disprovable and pretend your opinion on pain level you cannot prove is a fact.

You wrote a whole bunch of stuff without addressing the simple fact: Thanos never threw a punch at Hulk as powerful as Thor's amped punches.

If I punched someone in the face strong enough to throw them 10 feet away, that person would be in a world more pain than if I simply broke their jaw. Heck, that person might even be dead already.

Look at 3:23 of this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcLmyi46VYA

Now show me Thanos punching Hulk with anywhere near that kind of strength from a single punch.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You wrote a whole bunch of stuff without addressing the simple fact: Thanos never threw a punch at Hulk as powerful as Thor's amped punches.

If I punched someone in the face strong enough to throw them 10 feet away, that person would be in a world more pain than if I simply broke their jaw. Heck, that person might even be dead already.

Look at 3:23 of this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcLmyi46VYA

Now show me Thanos punching Hulk with anywhere near that kind of strength from a single punch.

https://youtu.be/yK1YIRTaqa0

^ 29 seconds in Thanos punches the Hulk and you hear an audible moan denoting pain.

That is a lightning amped punch while Hulk is raring back for a punch. Your logic is that greater distance denotes greater pain. Flawed logic my example already disproved. Both Hulk and Thor launched each other back but that did not denote greater pain or damage even in this fight ffs.

When you fight someone the goal is to beat your opponent. Thor used weapons, momentum, lightning amps and dud he achieve his goal?

Now watch the end of the clip I posted and tell me if Thanos defeated the Hulk.

In closing we see from the moment Thanos overpowers the Hulk with his bare hands Thor is not strong enough to overpower the Hulk he must use skill and evasion but he still never won the fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Greater distance does not equal more painful or damaging.

https://youtu.be/yK1YIRTaqa0

^ 29 seconds in Thanos punches the Hulk and you hear an audible moan denoting pain.

That is a lightning amped punch while Hulk is raring back for a punch. Your logic is that greater distance denotes greater pain. Flawed logic my example already disproved. Both Hulk and Thor launched each other back but that did not denote greater pain or damage even in this fight ffs.

When you fight someone the goal is to beat your opponent. Thor used weapons, momentum, lightning amps and dud he achieve his goal?

Now watch the end of the clip I posted and tell me if Thanos defeated the Hulk.

In closing we see from the moment Thanos overpowers the Hulk with his bare hands Thor is not strong enough to overpower the Hulk he must use skill and evasion but he still never won the fight.

Your example? You mean the silly stuff you made-up?

Show me a clip of a person who gets punched in the face so hard that he flies back 10 feet and is seemingly less hurt than someone he gets a straight punch to the face.

You do know that making stuff up doesn't equal facts right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your example? You mean the silly stuff you made-up?

Show me a clip of a person who gets punched in the face so hard that he flies back 10 feet and is seemingly less hurt than someone he gets a straight punch to the face.

You do know that making stuff up doesn't equal facts right?

Hulk being kod is the point of winning a fight. Thors goal is not to launch him far distances it is to win. Both Thor and hulk showed they could do so to each other but neither won the fight until Gm intervened.

Thanos is a lot stronger than Thor. Deal with it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He groaned out in pain. Hulk launches Thor back in their fight as well. By your logic that means hulk really hurt Thor badly. Did the incredible distance that hulk launched Thor initially seem to really hurt him? No. Now Rey being honest for a change your Thor fetish is so misguided. These guys launch each other it does not denote greater pain as seen in your own clip. Both of them do it to each other.

Hulk being kod is the point of winning a fight. Thors goal is not to launch him far distances it is to win. Both Thor and hulk showed they could do so to each other but neither won the fight until Gm intervened.

Thanos is a lot stronger than Thor. Deal with it.

1. I never claimed Thanos is not stronger than Thor. I'm saying Thor's lightning amped punches hit harder than Thanos'.

2. I never claimed Thor doesn't get hurt by Hulk's punches. It's clear that they hurt him.

3. Weight plays a big factor in moving someone. Hulk would have needed far less power to move Thor off his feat than vice versa.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. I never claimed Thanos is not stronger than Thor. I'm saying Thor's lightning amped punches hit harder than Thanos'.

2. I never claimed Thor doesn't get hurt by Hulk's punches. It's clear that they hurt him.

3. Weight plays a big factor in moving someone. Hulk would have needed far less power to move Thor off his feat than vice versa.

2. Ok.

3. Both are so strong that weight would not really factor in. Both can launch each other. That does not prove greaeter damage. We see what attacks do more damage and it is not always greater distance of displacement.

I actually agree weight wont be a factor here. Because the difference in weight will be negligible for the kind of strength we are talking. Their resistance to not being sent flying back will be their strength level to resist.

That said Thors Lightning punches still seem stronger than Thanos regular punches going by their effect on Hulk. It was 2 lightning punches from Thor and after each one Hulk was struggling to get back up and stay conscious. Plus yeah he was sent flying back.

Thanos however gave Hulk a few combos.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I actually agree weight wont be a factor here. Because the difference in weight will be negligible for the kind of strength we are talking. Their resistance to not being sent flying back will be their strength level to resist.

That said Thors Lightning punches still seem stronger than Thanos regular punches going by their effect on Hulk. It was 2 lightning punches from Thor and after each one Hulk was struggling to get back up and stay conscious. Plus yeah he was sent flying back.

Thanos however gave Hulk a few combos.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Absurd. We see Thor send him a further distance without the lightning but it did not defeat or even hurt the Hulk like Thanos did. Thanos beat him you idjit. Thor was dancing around the Hulk jabbing him as well. It did not have the same effect since Thanos completely destroyed him after hi]e casually brushed off the Hulks initial assault. He is not as strong as Thanos or the Hulk. Russos shut this nonsense down.

🙂

That's because Thor only hit Hulk twice before he got zapped. How many times did Thanos have to hit Hulk to beat him? Or did you not think number of his mean anything?