Originally posted by deathslash
croc can take a few.
He really can't.
Originally posted by deathslash
In the savage land, it's actually very feasible for him to ambush and drown Victor.
Damn, if only Creed had some super senses.
Waylon is not even familiar with the Savage Land, he'd freak out and get raped by a gorilla or something.
Originally posted by deathslash
He's also gotten some very nice feats over the years, but yeah, Creed should win 7-8/10 tbh.
If we're cherry-picking, then yeah, we can find some decent ones.
But keep in mind the bad showings, too. He's always had plenty and the number has only increased.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI was unaware that Creed could smell opponents that are in the water. Also, while I'm not about to pretend that Waylon is even half the hunter that Creed is, he's snuck up on one of the best hunters in all of comics one more than a few occasions, has similarly enhanced senses, should be physically stronger than Sabretooth, and also has a fairly impressive healing factor.
Damn, if only Creed had some super senses.Waylon is not even familiar with the Savage Land, he'd freak out and get raped by a gorilla or something.
Let's not pretend, Victor has gotten similarly oneshotted and three pieced by Logan and several others over the years. He just recently got his ass kicked by Deadpool even though he had a whole team backing him up....
Originally posted by deathslash
I was unaware that Creed could smell opponents that are in the water. Also, while I'm not about to pretend that Waylon is even half the hunter that Creed is, he's snuck up on one of the best hunters in all of comics one more than a few occasions, has similarly enhanced senses, should be physically stronger than Sabretooth, and also has a fairly impressive healing factor.Let's not pretend, Victor has gotten similarly oneshotted and three pieced by Logan and several others over the years. He just recently got his ass kicked by Deadpool even though he had a whole team backing him up....
Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan and Waylon > Batman, but that advantage rarely ever works in his favour.
Yes, Logan. Croc is not close to his level.
KC is the least competent villain in DC comics (his entire career proves it), which is very surprising, considering that he's a Batman rogue.
Since you brought up the DP showing, it's only fair for me to mention that KC got destroyed by Harvey Dent in his SANE persona... all he needed was a broken bottle.
Sabretooth's claws pierced through Sinister's "Supermen", Archangel's TO wings, Cho Hulk and others. I see minced salad everywhere.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan
He definitely has low level superhuman strength.
As to the thread, Sabertooth destroys Killer Croc.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI'm honestly wondering, have you kept up with any of Croc's feats?
Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan and Waylon > Batman, but that advantage rarely ever works in his favour.Yes, Logan. Croc is not close to his level.
KC is the least competent villain in DC comics (his entire career proves it), which is very surprising, considering that he's a Batman rogue.
Since you brought up the DP showing, it's only fair for me to mention that KC got destroyed by Harvey Dent in his SANE persona... all he needed was a broken bottle.
Sabretooth's claws pierced through Sinister's "Supermen", Archangel's TO wings, Cho Hulk and others. I see minced salad everywhere.
He's shrugged off punches from and even managed to affect Zod, put Aquaman on his ass and even shrugged of punches from him, easily beat King Shark, held his own against Soloman Grundy, restrained Cyborg, holding his own against Bane, and much more. The reason behind why Croc loses against Batman is because he's going up against one of the greatest martial artists in all of comics; The same martial artist that has plot armor that's thicker and more durable than the Source Wall.
Not close to Logan's level hmm?
https://imgur.com/a/8Ha6Y
lol at Croc not being competent.
He's skilled enough that Diana takes pointers from him.
http://i.imgur.com/BgKq72I.jpg
Is smart enough that Amanda Waller outright says that he's much smarter than he pretends to be.
http://i.imgur.com/sSvotC9.jpg
As well as easily ambushing and beating down batman.
https://imgur.com/a/Ctg7K
Owning Bane:
https://imgur.com/a/uU7nC
The difference here is that the DP showing happened like a week ago. The Harvey showing was around a decade ago. You've pretty clearly let your bias color your opinion of him.
KC has healed from getting holes blown in him, getting shot in the face, getting set on fire (he was fighting very close to the surface of the sun when this happened), shrugged of heat vision and punches from Zod, shrugged of punches from Aquaman, etc.
I like Victor, I really do, but you'd have to use only Waylon's low showings to think that he can't manage at least one win in an area with so many bodies of water readily available.
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Originally posted by deathslash
I like Victor, I really do, but you'd have to use only Waylon's low showings to think that he can't manage at least one win in an area with so many bodies of water readily available.
*getting lazy*
Seems like we ought to agree to disagree on that one.
You're the first poster in this site's history who is willing to give Croc some credit.
That's okay, I like myself to advocate Rhino from time to time... but this devil is particularly bad. "Omg two bullets, the pain, the pain, gonna pass out", "French literature power up!!!", "Almost beat Catwoman, my greatest feat in 40 years".
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWoh well, I can't convert everyone.
*getting lazy*Seems like we ought to agree to disagree on that one.
You're the first poster in this site's history who is willing to give Croc some credit.
That's okay, I like myself to advocate Rhino from time to time... but this devil is particularly bad. "Omg two bullets, the pain, the pain, gonna pass out", "French literature power up!!!", "Almost beat Catwoman, my greatest feat in 40 years".
Can i at least ask that you look into a few of his new52 and rebirth feats? I feel like if you see them, you'll see a marked difference between the jobber that the forum sees him as and the genuine beast that the writers at DC habe decided to make him.
Originally posted by deathslash
oh well, I can't convert everyone.Can i at least ask that you look into a few of his new52 and rebirth feats? I feel like if you see them, you'll see a marked difference between the jobber that the forum sees him as and the genuine beast that the writers at DC habe decided to make him.
Sure. I'll "study" him more, especially the Rebirth version.
Already messed with Pr, using the Aquaman/Croc scans.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Jesus christ that banefight
One could argue he was still affected by Ivy's pheromones.
But yeah, it was a terrible showing - I guess that writer wasn't particularly fond of the "World War Bane" arc and all of Bane's achievements.
Originally posted by krisblazenobody can expect a perfect track record against an opponent. It's just a fact of life; fight someone enough times and you're bound to lose.
Jesus christ that banefight
Hell, physically speaking, Croc was about even with venom bane before he pulled the equivalent of pulling a crowbar out of his ass and beating croc with it.
https://imgur.com/a/VbNe8
Then of course there was this fight during Knightfall were Croc's arms were still healing:
https://imgur.com/a/i9tw4
He still managed to briefly get the upper hand. So yeah, Croc has pretty consistently done well against Bane (often with bane sneak attacking or cheapshotting him first).
But yeah, I laugh every time at how Bane begs Waylon to kill him. 😂
Originally posted by victreebelvictrhonestly, it's not all that strange that people rank him so low on this forum. He does have some seriously rediculous low showings. It used to be that if you threw a rock, you'd be more likely to hit a low showing for him than you would to hit a high or even mediocre showing. It seems that most people that write the Batman family write him off as a C list joke that only exists to get Worfed (which really upset me since he was introduced as multidimensional and powerful). It's only been recently, thanks to the Suicide Squad books that he's gotten so many impressive feats back to back.
I appreciate your acknowledgment of Croc, people rank him strangely low.Honestly, I put him directly under Bane, only due to the Venom.
i appreciate the croc scans. i've read some ss stuff lately and he did look better. i just see sabes on the next level up in terms of consistency and higher end feats in general. both at their best, or in a comic, i'd bet this would be a good, tough fight. the healing factor can't be denied though as a large advantage. croc can heal too, but he's not in creed's class. skill also goes to creed, and speed. maybe strength is a push but there just isn't a stat where croc has an edge here. not even in brains or experience. some of the fights would be close, but i still see this as 9-10/10 for creed in the end.
