ROTS Obi Wan Kenobi vs. Arcann (Sabers only)

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Originally posted by HP Legend
How is this even fair? Arcann's a more powerful force user but he was literally stalemated by Vaylin in sabers who in turn got absolutely destroyed by someone she was fully capable of one shotting with the force.

Kenobi and anyone who says Arcann is just biased.

I don’t follow. Arcann stalemating KOTET Chapter 6 Vaylin in sabers is indication he’d get destroyed by Senya, who only defeated Pre-KOTET Vaylin? It’s constantly harped on by Valkorion and others that Vaylin’s abilities grow exponentially even in a short span of time. It’s not unbelievable that Pre-KOTET Vaylin could go from sub-Senya in sabers to Arcann tier by KOTET Chapter 6.

Arcann wins imo, as I believe his rather sizeable advantage in the force will give him an edge, here.

The ****? In what possible way is it inferred her actual skill with a blade increases?

Faster, maybe. Stronger, potentially. Since neither of them actually have speed feats or strength feats to speak of though, not really sure how you can pretend to quantify that.

She's stronger now. Faster. More confident.
But there were still flaws in Vaylin's form. Now that she had measured her opponent, Senya saw subtle imperfections she could exploit.

Vaylin is clearly growing in effectiveness as a duelist, if not pure skill, and to think we can place a limit on Arcann’s dueling abilities based on Vaylin’s much earlier performance against Senya is ludicrous.

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Doesn't strike me as much of a leap in effectiveness, tbfh. Humour me, what's your argument that this growth is enough to rival Kenobi?

Edit: Also, if Senya is able to exploit her form despite a supposed speed disadvantage, it still places a fairly considerable limit on Arcann for not taking her down. If Vaylin's form is easily exploitable, but Arcann stalemated her, and there's nothing to suggest he's considerably faster than Kenobi (if faster at all) I don't see how he wins this mmm

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Originally posted by Selenial
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Doesn't strike me as much of a leap in effectiveness, tbfh. Humour me, what's your argument that this growth is enough to rival Kenobi?

Edit: Also, if Senya is able to exploit her form despite a supposed speed disadvantage, it still places a fairly considerable limit on Arcann for not taking her down. If Vaylin's form is easily exploitable, but Arcann stalemated her, and there's nothing to suggest he's considerably faster than Kenobi (if faster at all) I don't see how he wins this mmm

My point is that given Vaylin grows exponentially in power in very short spans of time, (as stated by Valkorion and evidenced in KOTET Chapter 3). You cannot place a limit on Arcanns dueling abilities based on his performance against KOTET Chapter 6 Chained Vaylin, (hell, you cannot even prove Vaylin was stalemating Arcann in pure sabers, she was visibly using her force powers too) using Vaylins fight with Senya that took place 6 chapters and a timeskip earlier.