Originally posted by Putinbot1
His revisionist rubbish he learnt on far right forums and youtube. Haha, do you subscribe to that view DMB?
Economically the nazis seemed left-wing (though obviously not as left wing as the ****ing communists whose entire shtick was about wealth redistribution) and that's not a stupid thing to say, but it's not the economic policy of the Nazis that draws people's ire, it's their totalitarian social policy and genocide.
The social authoritarianism that can be found on the left and the right has distinct characteristics.
The social authoritarianism of the right tends to be nationalistic and traditionalistic, often based around racial supremacy, wearing the mask of one group bathing in its excellence and glory or some such shit. The genocide of jews and blacks justified with the view of "oh these others are a threat to our great society and they must be removed for the order and tradition of our great civilization."
The social authoritarianism of the left tends to come from a sense of disgust or scorn towards the dominant culture or most successful demographics, those perceived as the "oppressors," and for them the restriction of liberty or blatant violation of human rights is justified behind the mask of "equality." That's how Soviet Russia decided to kill the most successful farmers in their country and stifle political descent, it's why a high profile South African politician felt comfortable saying he's not calling for the genocide of white people "at least for now."
The social authoritarianism of the left believes liberty bestows privilege or dominance upon the main bulk of society and views it as an obstacle to be undermined for "equality", and the social authoritarianism of the right believes liberty undercuts the (in their eyes) deserved privilege their group enjoys and view it as an obstacle to their group interest.
It's obvious which one of these would describe the Nazis.
It's fair to say the economic policy of the Nazi's wasn't right wing and was more left or left-leaning, but it's disingenuous to suggest the economic policy of the nazis is the reason why people hate them. The reasons people hate the nazis are much better described as right-wing social authoritarianism than left-wing social authoritarianism.
Also it's important to stress that the alt-right doesn't have a fixed economic position.
There are alt-right people who are definitely more left-wing economically, such as Richard Spencer who thinks anyone who doesn't support universal healthcare is an idiot. The types of alt-right people who have this almost familial view of the white race, that white people need to create an ethnostate then pass economic policy to try and have a safety net for the less successful but still "racially pure chosen people."
Then there are more libertarian-esque alt-right people who want a society where the government won't interfere much with people socially or economically, but think that such a society could only work if it was racially homogeneous, because in their view the brown person will always vote for the left-wing economic policies.
Obviously that's all bullshit and I disagree with it. But point being the alt-right isn't necessarily unified in their economic views.
It's not the economics of the alt-right or the Nazis that people actually fixate on in their harshest criticisms of them.
The only time it is brought up is either when the right correctly argues that right-wing economics had nothing to do with the nazis, or when the right incorrectly tries to pin the horrors of the holocaust on left-wing ideology.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
radicalisation by extremists is bad yeah, weird that some people can't agree on this.Now here's an interesting graph on extremism in the US that will make certain members mad:
But wait... I thought left wing extremists never kill anyone?
Do you realize this graph shits all over that idea?
Lol.
Originally posted by SurturProvide evidence. Quit just throwing things out there.
Are you going to weigh in on the fact people say the left doesn't do this, that it's the right that kills? Since your graph, if it is to be believed, shits all over that notion.By the way, list for us all the murders that graph is counting, thanks in advance!
Originally posted by SurturYou mean your strawman whataboutery equating "Antifa has never killed" to the "the Left has never killed" in attempt to deflect from that the fact the vast majority of extremist murders were committed by the far-right?
Are you going to weigh in on the fact people say the left doesn't do this, that it's the right that kills? Since your graph, if it is to be believed, shits all over that notion.By the way, list for us all the murders that graph is counting, thanks in advance!
Lmao.
Anyway here's the data: https://www.adl.org/heat-map
To make it easier for you, with the exception of one incident involving a racist mentally ill person, the Left-wing murders cited in the graph were committed by black nationalists killing police men. I'm quite certain everyone is aware of those.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You mean your strawman whataboutery equating "Antifa has never killed" to the "the Left has never killed" in attempt to deflect from that the fact the vast majority of extremist murders were committed by the far-right?Lmao.
Anyway here's the data: https://www.adl.org/heat-map
To make it easier for you, with the exception of one incident involving a racist mentally ill person, the Left-wing murders cited in the graph were committed by black nationalists killing police men. I'm quite certain everyone is aware of those.
I don't need to deflect lol, it shows the left doesn't just break windows and throw smokebombs.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
radicalisation by extremists is bad yeah, weird that some people can't agree on this.Now here's an interesting graph on extremism in the US that will make certain members mad:
The Cult of Trump doesn't realize they use the very same methods of indoctrination as Islamic Terrorist leaders do. The exact words may differ, but the core methods are the same.