Shockwave vs Doctor Doom

Both were sent back in time, and engineered their present.

Unlimited prep and access to plot devices.

Who wins?

Shockwave as in the big Purple Robot Laser Transformer Gun?

Shockwave, as in the big purple laser gun Transformer that was recently revealed to have murdered one of the founding gods Oynx Prime, taken his place, engineered Starscreams rise to power as president of the Transformers, and more.

But otherwise, yeah.

That is what I was thinking...cause the GI Joe Shockwave would habe just been silly.

And it is way to hard to keep up with Modern IDW Trans Comics, but I will go with Shocky.
Just Cause.

Shockwave

doesn't surprise me its hard for Fly to keep up with current Transformers comics.

Awwww... You are such a Quanchi Lite.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Shockwave

doesn't surprise me its hard for Fly to keep up with current Transformers comics.

Originally posted by Facee
Sixshot would shit on Shockwave.

I don't see his name in this verses.

And it was Shockwave who designed the "shutoff switch" and "blind spot" on phase sixers. He disabled Overlords, but Sixshot's should still be working.

Doom is also immune to time manip

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doom is also immune to time manip

Shockwave manipulated the Gods themselves, though. And had hefty plot devices to help him, like various "ores" that essentially act like infinity gems (Ore 13 grants power, another ore might grant life, another ore manipulates time and space)

Plus, he's a giant robot that turns into a space gun.

Doom basically became TOAA

plus a really long history of being a prep god throughout the bank.

Doom had help, though. No Molecule Man = no God Doom.

Shockwave, he spent centuries carefully cultivating reality manipulating Ores on various worlds, pretending to be a minion of Megatron as he created super warriors for him, reprogrammed the minds of mythic Metro Titans (City bots), which are like demi-gods to the Transformers, all so that Starscream can come to power and make his own plots easier to move forward, posing as a god called Onyx Prime and congregating with the other gods, manipulating them..

Doom may have fantastic feats, but when it comes to the long game, Shockwaves in a class of his own. He's like a Vandal Savage who personally rewrote the bible, koran, Talmud, and influenced every major religion and nation, as an unseen guiding hand. In a shared universe, he'd pose as an ally/minion with the top villians, all the while moving ahead his own agenda an inch at a time.

Thr shockwaves of Beerus/Goku's punches almost destroyed the universe. 🙂

Doom was stranded millions of years in the past with no armour or even clothes, and came back....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doom was stranded millions of years in the past with no armour or even clothes, and came back....

Which is impressive.

An equivalent would be if he murdered and replaced Moses, or posed as the burning bush, covertly engineered the Civil Wars, and posed as Loki for centuries, or some shite.

https://m.imgur.com/nghbMaE
Centuries?

How about millions of years. Again, this was without his armour and any tech.

A comparable feat is Shockwave with zero tech, zero resources, clawing his way back.

THAT'S a long game.

Doom for the relatively easy win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://m.imgur.com/nghbMaE
Centuries?

How about millions of years. Again, this was without his armour and any tech.

A comparable feat is Shockwave with zero tech, zero resources, clawing his way back.

THAT'S a long game.

That's exactly what he did. Shockwave was forced back in time, he didn't choose to go there. He was at deaths door, in a wasteland, and he managed to adapt to his new circumstances, and accomplish more then just about any immortal or time traveler does in fiction.

He's also millions of years old, before going through pre-history. I understated when I said "decades".. More like centuries.

So Shockwave got "Marvin'ed"???