Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Sidious

Started by Azronger2 pages
Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Sidious all rounds except the first which he loses. Good fight though.

I don't see how the third round is a good fight tbh. It's pretty lopsided in Sheev's favor

Originally posted by Azronger
I don't see how the third round is a good fight tbh. It's pretty lopsided in Sheev's favor

I meant overall it's a good fight, Sidious wins the second, stomps the third and Luke wins the first. It's a good fight overall though yes the third round is slightly one sided.

BTW, what Abeloth does is not "Essence Transfer", it's "Assimilation." So the Essence Transfer comparison is dead in the water.

Then the air between the two women began to shimmer. Pagorski's eyes opened wide, and her face twisted into a mask of horror. Rokari Kem's fingers grew long and thin, and suddenly her arms dissolved into gray slimy tentacles, and in the Sith's place stood the hideous thing that Wynn had glimpsed on waking, a slender sinuate form with coarse yellow hair and a mouth so broad that it reached from ear to ear.

Abeloth.

Pagorski's jaw fell open in a wordless scream. The tentacles shot down her throat, into her ears and nostrils, and began to pulse. Horrible gagging noises erupted from her mouth. Her entire body went limp and hung, convulsing, by the ropy tendrils that had been inserted into her head.

Finally, Pagorski's expression went blank. Her complexion grew so pale and translucent that Wynn could see the tentacles throbbing inside her face, pumping something dark and viscous into her sinuses and her ears and down into her trachea.

Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

It often happens off-panel, but she essentially tentacles into her prey and "absorbs" them into her power. This is why she loses power when her assimilated bodies are killed. Not Essence Transfer.

This also hits on the important point that when people say Abeloth is "fighting in two places at once" - she is not spreading her pre-existing power into two places at once necessarily. She absorbs other beings into her power, and when those absorbed beings are killed, she gets weaker. Her having to fight in two places at once means she perhaps isn't able to pool all her strength into one task, but, the simple fact she has more than one body at her disposable is a benefit to her, not a hindrance.

Lightsaber duel: Luke 10/10 in epic fights.
Force fights: Luke 7/10 in even more epic fights.
All out: Luke 8-9/10.

Originally posted by Vitiate
How?

Round 1: Simply put --- Luke is the best lightsaber duelist in the mythos. His aptitude with a blade was stated, by sources, to be "unparalleled" and is showings backs it up. With little formal training, he was able to match/beat one of the most powerful and skilled Sith of all time in Darth Vader, add in a vast logical growth and you can reach some crazy conclusion running under that brand of scaling.

Round 2: Luke is sporting more raw power - Sids power is greater in destructive capacity, I can see a case being made either way but I'd give Luke the edge giving his superior telekinetic showings.

Round 3: Luke is the superior martial combatant and greater defensive Force user, he should edge it out.

Originally posted by Azronger

I don't doubt that Luke could defeat Sidious in his clone bodies that are confine his power to just his midi-chlorians, but he has no chance against the dark entity that can consume the universe.

Well you are right, because Luke already did beat Sidious in his clone body.

But where does Sidious fight as a dark entity with no body?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well you are right, because Luke already did beat Sidious in his clone body.

But where does Sidious fight as a dark entity with no body?

He manifested his Storm outside his body, which is noted to be his unrestrained full potency, far beyond even full potential Luke's ability to defeat.

Luke wins on the basis of being one of the few main characters of this dumb universe that is actually a compelling human being we can assess to be > 100 IQ. He's winning this round of paraolympics.