CosmicComet
Senior Member
Originally posted by Horrificus
I didn't say anybody lowballed Cain.
"owned", do u mean when War Hulk used Cain's momentum for a sidestep and toss? I just want to b clear in this.
R u talking about this, when u r stating that War Hulk "owned" Cain?
U r calling that a defeat.
Dude. Your recollection of the events is flat of wrong.
You are mixing up WWH with War Hulk.
What happened was that War Hulk had casually overloaded Creel.
And then Cain surprised him out of nowhere and tackled War Hulk.
He pushed him a few thousand feet until War stopped his momentum dead. There was fear in Cain's eyes. Then War grabbed Cain with a tentacle and tossed him. Cain landed and started looking for War, but the narration clearly said Cain was hesitant and apprehensive. Dude was scared of War.
And then when they finally got in a tussle again War casually sent Cain flying with a punch while talking shit to him. And Cain wasn't just knocked away, he was clearly hurt by the punch. He started talking slowly, with ellipses in his sentences, and he took several pages to get back to his feet.
War was about to chop his head off if not for Creel.
Yeah, it was absolutely a defeat for Cain. He was down for longer than a 10 count, certainly a win for War.
During the narration while Apocalypse was viewing the battle he specifically said this battle was a test of his own Celestial based powers against Juggernaut's to see which was superior, and that he got his answer.
Ozymandias was on the New World Order team with Juggernaut and he was treating Apocalypse as a power that was beyond comprehension, despite being in the same room as Juggernaut.
Actually, Apocalypse was a beast in that entire issue. He got a ton of respect. He did something Cain had never done; he casually overpowered a furious savage hulk. He made it look easy. Hulk was pissed, because just moments before he had been tricked by the X-Men and the Apocalypse teleported him out of there.
His eyes were red while he was trying to break out of Apocalypse's tentacled grip, but he couldn't. Apocalypse willing let Hulk go, and Hulk was keeled over coughing big time from the struggle. And then Apocalypse gave him a tour of Egypt, showing him the ghosts of his past, and Hulk willingly followed. Apocalypse overpowered Hulk so badly that it was a sonning. No, literally, Hulk was talking to himself via the figment of Brian Banner that lives in his head and that figment said Hulk was seeing another father figure in Apocalypse. 😆
It was hilarious. Apocalypse was talking shit to Banner the whole time after he overpowered him and Hulk didn't say or do shit about it even though he was unrestrained and free to try. He followed Apocalypse around like a puppy and got subjected to experiments, even though the issue before he was pissed as phuck at the X-Men even though they were trying to help him and didn't belittle him.
Yeah, I'm gonna double down on Apocalypse winning. The way he easily overpowered Hulk in that issue is underrated. It was a huge strength showing, and done casually.
On the other hand that one fight where Xavier showed up and TK'd Cain unconscious to break up his fight with Hulk was pretty damning. Once Hulk got pissed enough he easily overpowered and tossed Cain around like trash. Yet an even stronger Hulk years later couldn't even budge Apocalypse.
