Originally posted by panthergod
Not a single showing there even remotely matched two shotting Thor or overpowering Jane Thor with one hand for formidability in physical combat.Majestic is smarter than Gladiator. That's it He has NOTHING comparable in combat showings.
He Lost to Captain Atom. He lost to Void Spartan. Electric Superman punked him. Two Coda chumped him. a Satellite-era incarnation of Superman two shotted him.
base-level form Eradicator was overpowered, being physically comparable to a Byrne/pre Death base level Superman or Hank Henshaw. Gladiator at peak confidence was specifically meant to be above the subconsciously suppressed(humanized, self loathing)Early Post Crisis Superman of that era according to Byrne.
Originally posted by panthergod
No it comes down to showings, and Gladiator destroys Majestic, who doesn't match most of the higher end DC/Marvel top tiers in combat formidability.Superman, Orion, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Wonder Woman(esp post flashpoint), GL Hal Jordan, Hulk, Thor, Surfer, Sentry, Gladiator all have superior combat formidability to Majestic.
Majestic could beat classic Squadron Supreme Hyperion, though, similar to Eradicator's base form.
Also Byrne Gladiator is an outlier. Wildstorm heroes were shown comparable to marvel heroes in World War III. In fact Maul outright killed heroes reborn Hulk who was equal to 616 hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think that's accurate. Majestic oneshotted Rampage and was stated to rival Superman in strength in his secret files bio.
OF course. I'd give post-Casey portrayals of Majestic an edge on strength over Gladiator on average, but Gladiator's track record against notable opponents in combat is more impressive.
Also Byrne Gladiator is an outlier. Wildstorm heroes were shown comparable to marvel heroes in World War III. In fact Maul outright killed heroes reborn Hulk who was equal to 616 hulk.
Byrne Gladiator is the foundation of the character, who previously was a random also ran KO'd by Corsair's small arms fire and matched by Collossus HTH.
Byrne's Marvelized Post Crisis Superman was meant to be downgraded to traditional Marvel Class 100 level(albeit with hidden PRe-Crisis potential due to his less confident, self loathing relative to PRe Crisis mindset suppressing his innate subtexually Pre-Crisis level power potential Post Crisis), and originally at least(yes, DeFalco nerfed him and it was downhill from there), two shotting Thing was meant to be well beyond conventional Class 100 level as defined by Thor/ Hercules.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Showings wise, Majestic has more than one planetary feat, looked the better against Atom, owned Spartan, saved Eradicators but, has more skill and fighting experience than He-Man. Plus, hes a super genius. He'd run circles around Gladiator.
Lotsa BS in this sentence. He-Man has crazy combat skills.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Gladiator has lower showings compared to Majestic. I can't think of any real low showings for majestic.
As long as he isn't fighting an impossible battle against Orion, he's the baddest motherphu@-er around right? Bullshit.
Originally posted by panthergod
OF course. I'd give post-Casey portrayals of Majestic an edge on strength over Gladiator on average, but Gladiator's track record against notable opponents in combat is more impressive.
I don't think so.
Ok so.. one showing. Maybe two impressive ones. ok.
I hardly think Gladiator can match either.
Byrne Gladiator is the foundation of the character, who previously was a random also ran KO'd by Corsair's small arms fire and matched by Collossus HTH.
No, it's just one interpretation. Even after Byrne, Gladiator was koed by Gambit and oneshotted by Jahf.
Byrne's Marvelized Post Crisis Superman was meant to be downgraded to traditional Marvel Class 100 level(albeit with hidden PRe-Crisis potential due to his less confident, self loathing relative to PRe Crisis mindset suppressing his innate subtexually Pre-Crisis level power potential Post Crisis), and originally at least(yes, DeFalco nerfed him and it was downhill from there), two shotting Thing was meant to be well beyond conventional Class 100 level as defined by Thor/ Hercules.
It's an outlier and Gladiator has failed to repeat it against Ben.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-Invisible-Woman?id=110252
Several hits from Gladiator and Ben was fine.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's an outlier and Gladiator has failed to repeat it against Ben.https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-Invisible-Woman?id=110252
Several hits from Gladiator and Ben was fine.
*cough*
Gladiator threw one punch.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*cough*Gladiator threw one punch.
Compare that to FF 250 where Ben was almost koed by just one punch.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And slammed Thing on top of the train protected by Invisible Woman.Compare that to FF 250 where Ben was almost koed by just one punch.
Okay. But you said SEVERAL HITS and that Ben was FINE.
He slammed him into a bus, and then punched him off-panel for a page. This is not so vastly in-congruent with the original comic....Thing was utterly dominated. And Gladiator had a relationship with the FF4 at this point, preferring to talk.
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Are you treating every point of contact in a panel as a separate hit? That's fine I guess, but not how most people traditionally view "hits" from what I gather.
He initially rammed him with his right fist (might be a punch, could have just been a ram, angle obscures it), then he grabs him with his left and slams Thing into Sue's force field. Then he punches him. So, three "hits" total.
"Several" is simply defined as more than two, but not many, so the usage of it is appropriate.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay. But you said SEVERAL HITS and that Ben was FINE.He slammed him into a bus, and then punched him off-panel for a page. This is not so vastly in-congruent with the original comic....Thing was utterly dominated. And Gladiator had a relationship with the FF4 at this point, preferring to talk.
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Are you treating every point of contact in a panel as a separate hit? That's fine I guess, but not how most people traditionally view "hits" from what I gather.