Izax vs. Valkorion

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Izax vs. Valkorion

Izax as seen in War on Iokath: Gods of the Machine. Valkorion as of KOTFE Chapter 1. Fight takes place on flat, neutral terrain.

Tenebrae is confirmed to be more powerful. He wins.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Tenebrae is confirmed to be more powerful. He wins.

Can you provide evidences of this ? I didn't remember any.

I hope some day BioWare continues Knights of The Old Republic 3 and places everything after 2 as alternate timeline.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
I hope some day BioWare continues Knights of The Old Republic 3 and places everything after 1 as alternate timeline.
Originally posted by xolthol
Can you provide evidences of this ? I didn't remember any.
In_Knights of the Eternal Throne, you begin as the Outlander, a veteran of the Galactic War, fighting the most dangerous family known to the galaxy — evil Emperor Valkorion and his daughter, Empress Vaylin.

The Zakuul Pantheon is a family too, even referenced in the prior expansion.

lmao

You can laugh drunkenly all you like.

Little is known about the six titan droids that lie in hibernation on Iokath. These superweapons were created millennia ago by the planet's architects, likely designed to pacify, subjugate, and destroy entire civilizations. Salvaged records indicate these machines operate as a sentient family unit of "god kin." They are:

TYTH, God of Rage.
AIVELA, Goddess of Passion.
ESNE, Goddess of Envy.
NAHUT, God of Apathy.
SCYVA, Goddess of Sorrow.
IZAX, God of Death.

During early weapon testing, Iokath unleashed the Six Gods on various unsuspecting planets. Trillions of lives were lost. The people of Zakuul were among the targeted victims, and the survivors eventually mythologized their would-be destroyers as a pantheon of merciless gods. Centuries later, these machine gods are still worshipped on Zakuul.

When civil war broke out on Iokath, one faction did the unthinkable and turned the Six Gods against their rival brethren. The resulting cataclysm wiped out all life on the planet and exterminated the Iokath species. These titans were their greatest achievement--and the engines of their ultimate destruction. Now, after a millennia-long slumber, the droids are about to reawaken.

Emo Family and Gods.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You can laugh drunkenly all you like.

There are literally so many ways to argue why your quote doesn't necessarily apply to them that I don't know where to start.

Want to pick a random number between 1 and 3,000?

Except it's a blanket statement, Valkorion and Vaylin make up the most dangerous family in SWTOR. Valkorion is fully aware of their actual power, he has spent centuries informing the Eternal Empire of said family of Gods.

That's also merely the most relevant quote we have, others already affirm Tenebrae's undisputed supremacy throughout history.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Zakuul Pantheon is a family too, even referenced in the prior expansion.

It seems pretty ambiguous tbh. In addition at this period (start of the expension) we didn't know the god's familly it was only in Iokath part after the extension that we discover it.

AFAIK, Valkorion has absolutely no knowledge of Iokath or of the 6 Gods. It's stated that Zildrog was built entirely separately from the 6 Gods.

@Xolthol, the Zakuul Gods are already referenced in KOTFE.

@Skillz, it was Valkorion who imprisoned them in the first place.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Except it's a blanket statement, Valkorion and Vaylin make up the most dangerous family in SWTOR. Valkorion is fully aware of their actual power, he has spent centuries informing the Eternal Empire of said family of Gods.

That's also merely the most relevant quote we have, others already affirm Tenebrae's undisputed supremacy throughout history.

Did you know that "dangerous" isn't synonymous with power?

For example:

If you were locked in a room with Jeffrey Dahmer as opposed to a Prime Mike Tyson, your chance of having a cock shoved through your decapitated head would be much higher in the Dahmer room. Dahmer is infinitely more dangerous than Tyson.

Which is why an active family that actively kills with active glee is considered more actively dangerous than a 'secret' "family" of Robo Gods that hibernate for millenia.

I also think Valk is above them, but let's not mix feelings with actual statements.

It isn't stated anywhere that Valkorion imprisoned the 6 Gods AFAIK, and iirc it's explicitly stated that Valkorion has never visited Iokath.

His name is literally the Slayer of Izax.

Before Valkorion's rise to power, Zakuul was a backwater planet in Wild Space with almost no contact with the rest of the galaxy. Forced to settle in bogs and swamps, early Zakuulans were a superstitious, nihilistic people who worshipped a pantheon of ruthless gods. These deities expressed their power through the pain and suffering of their followers. The pantheon's father was Izax, the god of death and the Ultimate Devourer. The ancient Zakuulans believed their fate was tied to the will of the gods and belonged to Izax. Those who challenged this view were considered demons. While most Demons were outcasts and expelled from society, a prophecy emerged claiming that one would climb beyond Izax's reach--an immortal god of gods who would topple the pantheon and usher in a new age for Zakuul. Claiming to be the Demon Savior of prophecy, Valkorion began his campaign against the Old Ways.
- The Old Ways of Zakuul Codex Entry

They are clearly known on a mythological level and Tenebrae must've discerned his function and origin to boot.

But again, none of this matters, his most powerful accolades still stand.

Valkitiate has been turned into a One. From now on he shall be known as Uncle.

Originally posted by AncientPower
@Xolthol, the Zakuul Gods are already referenced in KOTFE.

Just as a legend nothing really tangible...

Maybe because the mythological Zakuul Gods were based on the real things and highly overexaggerated?
What Vitiate did was monotheising the polytheist Zakuulans.
He was the Messiah of Zakuul.
The Six Gods and the Slayer of Izax is nothing more but the symbolic theme of Vitiate exposing and imposing his beliefs upon them. Not everything in Star Wars needs not to be taken literally. Some things are purely poetic metaphors.