Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate broke through Revan's prepared Tutaminis with a charged attack and fried him into paralysis.Nyriss attacked Meetra with lightning and Meetra's unprepared, instinctive Force barrier absorbed almost all of it but the momentum knocked her over.
where does it say it was instinctive? where does it say it was unprepared, and why didn't Meetra have the reflexes to prepare a barrier?
Revan vs. Vitiate's uncharged lightning = Revan bats back
Meetra vs. Nyriss's uncharged lightning = Meetra leaps out of way and is defenseless, then she tries blocking and gets knocked on the ground lmao
Try harder or go back to the kid's table.
what about this:
"Darkly he proclaimed 'I am Sion, Lord of Pain and Lord of the Sith and you cannot kill me.' instead of exchanging words with the abomination before her, she simply attempted to cut the beast off from the Force but she realised this monster had become the Dark Side and such techniques would not work. Ziost was their battleground, time and again she would cut him down and once more he would rise anew. Aided by his minions the fight lasted three nights, despite the freezing temperatures and the well of darkness swirling through the collapsing fortresses, she would cut down more and more Dark Jedi until finally when Sion realised this engagement was one he could not win, he fled and no matter how much she chased him he would not be found again." - Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide Collector's Edition
Originally posted by Valkorion
"Darkly he proclaimed 'I am Sion, Lord of Pain and Lord of the Sith and you cannot kill me.' instead of exchanging words with the abomination before her, she simply attempted to cut the beast off from the Force but she realised this monster had become the Dark Side and such techniques would not work. Ziost was their battleground, time and again she would cut him down and once more he would rise anew. Aided by his minions the fight lasted three nights, despite the freezing temperatures and the well of darkness swirling through the collapsing fortresses, she would cut down more and more Dark Jedi until finally when Sion realised this engagement was one he could not win, he fled and no matter how much she chased him he would not be found again."
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide Collector's Edition
wtf is this garbage? lmao
Originally posted by Valkorion
where does it say it was instinctive? where does it say it was unprepared, and why didn't Meetra have the reflexes to prepare a barrier?
At the same time, Scourge lashed out with the Force, catching Nyriss flush in the center of her chest.An ordinary foe would have been thrown clear across the room, but Nyriss instinctively threw up a Force barrier to protect herself, absorbing and redirecting the brunt of the impact.
Dazed, he looked up just in time to see another bolt of violet lightning catch Meetra in the chest. Like Nyriss, she threw up a barrier to save herself from the worst of it, but she was still knocked from her feet.
- Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
Try reading the book you imbecile.
The fact you have to dig up a years old jab that's more necrotic than Aurbere's account is even worse.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Try reading the book you imbecile.
lmfao, you didn't answer my question. Meetra had enough time to ready herself to fight Nyriss, it was 2 v 1, why is Nyriss kicking her ass and why is it not legitimate? If "like Nyriss" really means "instinctively", why wasn't Meetra fast enough to throw up a proper barrier (Nyriss was being attacked by Scourge while fighting Meetra)? Why does she get forced on her knee and open to a lethal hit within seconds were it not for Scourge?
If Meetra really were close to Nyriss there's no way a single lightning blast she deflected with a barrier would knock her down so long she could just sit there and do nothing while Nyriss charged a massive attack
Either Meetra is far weaker than Nyriss, or she is a 0/10 fail incompetent fighter beyond anything we've ever seen
The fact you have to dig up a years old jab that's more necrotic than Aurbere's account is even worse.
is the jab inaccurate?
did you ever atone or apologize for it?
didn't you do the exact same thing a few months ago with your fake email to ant? lmfao
"She raised her free hand above her head and fired off another burst of lightning. Both Scourge and Meetra threw themselves clear of the deadly electrical bolt, but in doing so they gave Nyriss the early advantage.
Before they could recover, she leapt at them. Despite her withered appearance, she moved with the all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime. She landed right between her two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive.
Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward.
Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra’s defenses. The Jedi was clearly overmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down to one knee.
In the awkward position her right flank was exposed, and Nyriss brought her blade in to deliver a crippling cut. At the same time, Scourge lashed out with the Force, catching Nyriss flush in the center of her chest.
An ordinary foe would have been thrown clear across the room, but Nyriss instinctively threw up a Force barrier to protect herself, absorbing and redirecting the brunt of the impact. Even so, Scourge’s attack knocked her off balance just enough to send her lightsaber wide of the mark, giving Meetra the opportunity she needed to scramble away to safety.
Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she met his charge with an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge up and tossed him head-over-heels, sending him crashing to the wall.
Dazed, he looked up just in time to see another bolt of violet lightning catch Meetra in the chest. Like Nyriss, she threw up a barrier to save herself from the worst of it, but she was still knocked from her feet.
“Did you think I would be as easy to defeat as Xedrix?” Nyriss shouted, raising her lightsaber triumphantly above her head.
The air around her began to crackle and grow hot as she gathered herself for the killing blow. Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he would be powerless to stop it. Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong.
“Gaze upon me and see your doom!” she declared. “I am Darth Nyriss, Lord of the Sith. I am the conqueror of Drezzi, the destroyer of Melldia, and a member of the Dark Council!”
Scourge braced himself for the end.
Just then, Revan emerged from the cell. He had pulled the hood of his Jedi robe up to cover his head, and he wore the red-and-gray mask, hiding his face.
A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss’s hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies. Instead of leaping back into the cell to avoid the deadly attack, Revan stepped forward to intercept it.
Both hands were held in front of him, his arms fully extended at shoulder height, his thumbs touching and his fingers splayed wide. He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power.
“I am Revan reborn,” he said to Nyriss. “And before me you are nothing.”
Nyriss’s eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her. She tried to throw up another Force shield, but the bolts ripped it apart and continued on unabated. The lightning engulfed her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash.
Scourge slowly clambered to his feet as Revan helped Meetra up. In the corner, the upended astromech let out a plaintive whistle and awkwardly managed to rock himself back into an upright position."
In other words, she was clearly above Meetra, and had knocked her down for a lengthy period of time with a single lightning bolt.
Darkly, she then charged up an attack that Revan effortlessly absorbed and redirected that ripped through her (above Meetra) level force field unabated and turned her to ash. 🙂
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yep. Vitiate completely ripped through his Tutaminis and paralysed him with his lightning. Revan only survived due to T3 and the Exile intervening. A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.
Excuse me, my lady. Since when does that make Vitiate the Dark Side itself?
Sure he had tainted the environment of Dromund Kaas - but that does not make him the source of the Dark Side. It is not like Vitiate or any other Dark Side practitioner "remove" their strength in The Force and put it in someone/something else. It just means that they are corrupting the already existing Force energies with their "natural" Dark Side presence.
Vitiate is a conductor of the Dark Side - not the source of it. And that is true for any Dark Side user.
Originally posted by Valkorion
lmfao, you didn't answer my question. Meetra had enough time to ready herself to fight Nyriss, it was 2 v 1, why is Nyriss kicking her ass and why is it not legitimate? If "like Nyriss" really means "instinctively", why wasn't Meetra fast enough to throw up a proper barrier (Nyriss was being attacked by Scourge while fighting Meetra)? Why does she get forced on her knee and open to a lethal hit within seconds were it not for Scourge?If Meetra really were close to Nyriss there's no way a single lightning blast she deflected with a barrier would knock her down so long she could just sit there and do nothing while Nyriss charged a massive attack
Either Meetra is far weaker than Nyriss, or she is a 0/10 fail incompetent fighter beyond anything we've ever seen
Did you fail to read the part where they dodged her lightning, giving her the chance to split them apart and dive in before they recovered? Of course she went on the defensive. Because Nyriss had the advantage of attacking before they could.
It really wasn't 2 vs. 1 at all given that Scourge gets put on his ass faster than he could even think. Nyriss doesn't break Meetra's defense, but instead is forced to use physical strength to put Surik on her knee which leaves her right flank exposed.
Scourge intervenes by ineffectively Force pushing Nyriss and getting ragdolled for his effort. Meetra rolls away and gets on her feet, then absorbs the follow-up Force lightning.
Where are you getting this horse manure that Meetra couldn't do anything when we don't actually know what it was Meetra did because the entire fight is from Scourge's point of view. He admits he couldn't do anything to stop her, because on both occasions where he tries to get involved he gets easily dismissed. Even when he has Nyriss preoccupied he fails to effectively attack her. So of course he is inferior. We have no clue what Meetra was doing but anyone smart would be preparing a tutaminis defense rather than wasting time to get on her feet.
Furthermore, you've utterly failed to understand that Force barriers are canonically ineffectual against focused energy attacks; nevermind the Force lightning attacks of an extremely powerful Darth. That was the entire reason Tutaminis was developed in the first place. It's created to absorb energy rather than trying to simply block it with a barrier. How you lack such a basic understanding of differing Force defense techniques is mind-boggling.
You've also gone and completely ignored the environment too. A dark side nexus so powerful that after 3,700 years of relative abandonment later it was corrupting Kyle Katarn, blocking the light side of the Force entirely for the likes of Ben Skywalker and Mara Jade. As well as seriously hindering the reflexes of not just FOTJ Jaina Solo but the most powerful incarnation of the light side of the Force the Jedi Order ever had, Grand Master Luke Skywalker. So much so that random Sith sabers amplified by it, became a genuine challenge to him and his not inconsiderable back-up.
Originally posted by Meatpants
I don't see parity between novel Revan and Vitiate. Revan surprised with him an unorthodox attack, but then Vitiate proceeds to fry Revan alive.
No parity? Surely this is a joke. I lack the energy to explain this.
Scroll down to Ant's first post and read the Novel Vitiate=Novel Revan section.
@AP: Do the same.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yep. Vitiate completely ripped through his Tutaminis and paralysed him with his lightning. Revan only survived due to T3 and the Exile intervening. A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.
Care to give a source fro Vitiate being the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas?
Cause as far as I'm aware there isn't one.
He's literally a dark side nexus who was stated to be the source of power on the planet that brought the Sith back there. The Dark Temple became a nexus because of him. The dark side miasma covering the planet was due to his ritual. The Dark Citadel was emanating dark side energy in the exact same way that it emanated from him.
Why would the most powerful dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see, be reliant on a far lesser one to beat Revan?
Nor do I need to re-read Ant's blog, because what happened was incredibly definitive. He tried to block Tenebrae's lightning with a prepared Tutaminis application, but Tenebrae instantly ripped through it and was electrocuting him to death until T3-M4 forced Tenebrae to break off.