Qui-Gon runs a Gauntlet (sabers only)

TPM Kenobi's not a 7 besides the ending scene, IIRC.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Where Maul actually considered Qui-Gon a challenge,

TPM
Together, they were able to hold their own against the Sith Lord, but their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Dooku was toying with Kenobi.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Kenobi was also half the age of Qui-Gon, yet can somehow match Qui-Gon's mastery of Ataru? It just doesn't add up.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Maybe a better comparison is how Jinn fares against AotC Kit Fisto.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Was he though? Qui-Gon beat all his peers as a kid in lightsaber combat, hence Dooku taking him on as his apprentice. There's no reason to believe that Kenobi was considerably more prodigious than Jinn, though Jinn does admit that eventually Kenobi would surpass him.

Jinn beating his peers doesn't matter because there is no logical connectivity between them and Kenobi and it doesn't set the precedent for any comparison.

Kenobi is considerably more prodigious than Jinn because he is on his general level despite Jinn being more than twice his age. Not the reverse.

Jinn mused that the day was not much longer away when 17 year old Kenobi would surpass him.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Jinn beating his peers doesn't matter because there is no logical connectivity between them and Kenobi and it doesn't set the precedent for any comparison.

Kenobi is considerably more prodigious than Jinn because he is on his general level despite Jinn being more than twice his age. Not the reverse.

Jinn mused that the day was not much longer away when 17 year old Kenobi would surpass him.

Not to mention trusting his instincts, Qui-Gon thought wryly. He suddenly had the feeling that one day the boy would beat him. And that such a day might not be so far away.

Credit: Jedi Apprentice-The Threat Within

The iteration of Kenobi sparring with him is 17 years old here

To be fair, we know that "day" is still some ways off even seven years later.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The iteration of Kenobi sparring with him is 17 years old here

Kenobi can compete with Jinn in speed but Jinn’s strength absolutely wipes him out

Originally posted by Intr3pId
Where was this said? Maul outclassed Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan together.

After all the droids, assassins, gangsters, and soldiers he had vanquished, finally a worthy opponent. Not since he had fought and been defeated by his own Master, Darth Sidious, had Maul been so committed to a challenge.

-TPM

Maul was also almost taken off-guard by Jinn's response to his attacks, and was disturbed at Jinn's ability to know all his attacks in advance, to the point where he threw away his usual combinations instantly.

Also, Maul is > Jinn, but TPM Kenobi would get trashed by Maul in seconds I'd wager if Jinn wasn't there helping him by dividing Maul's attention.

Originally posted by Intr3pId
Right, but again, Dooku would demolish Jinn too.

Jinn would be a much better challenge to Dooku than Kenobi, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Intr3pId
So what? Obi-Wan reached a level that Qui-Gon never did by TCW. He always had more potential.

Yeah, but TCW saw Kenobi advance by a lot because he was specifically devoted to improving his lightsaber skills in constant warfare and consistent lightsaber combat with Sith and Dark Jedi. The advance from TPM to AotC on the other hand was less substantial, imo.

@CuckedCurry

I agree. On top of that, Jinn also had a mastery of Makashi, which definitely trumps Kenobi's lesser knowledge of Soresu, and also directly counters Kenobi's Ataru. Now, I'm not suggesting that Jinn would switch to Makashi against Kenobi, rather that he'd integrate it into his sequences to penetrate Kenobi's guard.

It's hard to cite quotes from TPM because there's like fifteen different accounts on the fight with all of them wildly varying in how good Jinn performs in it.

The general gist I got from the source material is that Jinn has relative parity with Maul until his fatigue hampers him; suggesting that skill wise, he is relatively equal to Maul due to skill and experience, the latter of which makes up for Maul's superior training and wider technical mastery.

Perhaps we need to compile all the accounts and look at which is the most supported, especially in higher sources, like I did with Yoda vs Dooku.

Sounds like a good idea. Also, what conclusions did you come to with the Dooku Yoda one?

Originally posted by Meatpants

After all the droids, assassins, gangsters, and soldiers he had vanquished, finally a worthy opponent. Not since he had fought and been defeated by his own Master, Darth Sidious, had Maul been so committed to a challenge.

-TPM

Maul was also almost taken off-guard by Jinn's response to his attacks, and was disturbed at Jinn's ability to know all his attacks in advance, to the point where he threw away his usual combinations instantly.

The Wrath of Darth Maul
Maul advanced toward Qui-Gon and spun, deflecting blows from both Jedi as the fight shifted across the hanger deck. Rapidly spinning his lightsaber blade, he anticipated their moves with ease. Having expected a greater challenge from Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, he felt even more disgusted by them. But if the Jedi held no surprises in combat, Maul knew he had his Master to thank for that. If not for his Master, he never would have been a match for two Jedi at the same time.

Insider 62
Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi's excellent use of Form IV's acrobatic maneuvers are little more than delaying tactics against the Form VII skills of Darth Maul.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Also, Maul is > Jinn, but TPM Kenobi would get trashed by Maul in seconds I'd wager if Jinn wasn't there helping him by dividing Maul's attention.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Jinn would be a much better challenge to Dooku than Kenobi, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Meatpants
Yeah, but TCW saw Kenobi advance by a lot because he was specifically devoted to improving his lightsaber skills in constant warfare and consistent lightsaber combat with Sith and Dark Jedi. The advance from TPM to AotC on the other hand was less substantial, imo.

Wrath of Darth Maul depicts Qui-Gon getting stomped.

Stops at 1.

@Intr3pId

I was pointing out that AotC > TCW > RotS has a clear line of improvement for Kenobi, whereas TPM > AotC is far less impressive and overall ambiguous. I don't see Kenobi matching Qui-Gon's mastery of Ataru, higher experience, presumably greater strength and additional mastery of Makashi.

@DarthCaedus77

Do you have the specific passage?