America: Russia is still not your friend. I give you Maria Butina!

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America: Russia is still not your friend. I give you Maria Butina!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/10/maria-butina-russian-agent-nra-kremlin-infiltrate-plead-guilty

Accused Russian agent Maria Butina, who is suspected of trying to infiltrate the National Rifle Association (NRA) and influence US policy toward Russia, is expected to plead guilty this week following a deal between her lawyers and US prosecutors, according to court filings on Monday.

How Maria Butina, accused Russian spy, worked her way into top US circles

CNN reported on Monday that Butina had already begun to cooperate with prosecutors, citing one source familiar with the matter. US district judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington scheduled a hearing for 12 December.

lmaaaooo

Trump be poopin dem pants.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Trump be poopin dem pants.

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Re: America: Russia is still not your friend. I give you Maria Butina!

Originally posted by Putinbot1
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/10/maria-butina-russian-agent-nra-kremlin-infiltrate-plead-guilty

Accused Russian agent Maria Butina, who is suspected of trying to infiltrate the National Rifle Association (NRA) and influence US policy toward Russia, is expected to plead guilty this week following a deal between her lawyers and US prosecutors, according to court filings on Monday.

How Maria Butina, accused Russian spy, worked her way into top US circles

CNN reported on Monday that Butina had already begun to cooperate with prosecutors, citing one source familiar with the matter. US district judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington scheduled a hearing for 12 December.

This neglects to mention that she also infiltrated Evangelical Christian circles, as well. She was a regular attendee of the National Prayer Breakfast, and was a regular guest on conservative Christian radio. She slept with married Evangelical leaders, and tried to sell them on the idea of establishing a state church.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This neglects to mention that she also infiltrated Evangelical Christian circles, as well. She was a regular attendee of the National Prayer Breakfast, and was a regular guest on conservative Christian radio. She slept with married Evangelical leaders, and tried to sell them on the idea of establishing a state church.

Sounds like classic 1950s, 1960s Red Scare reactionism and with actual Red Spy tactics.

Are we really being reactionary when legit Cold War Era spy tactics are being used against the US, though?

I swear, her story reads exactly like what another Red Spy did in the 1960s. Have to go to a meeting but I will dig it up and see if I can find her name.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This neglects to mention that she also infiltrated Evangelical Christian circles, as well. She was a regular attendee of the National Prayer Breakfast, and was a regular guest on conservative Christian radio. She slept with married Evangelical leaders, and tried to sell them on the idea of establishing a state church.
Yup, I read that in another article fascinating.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sounds like classic 1950s, 1960s Red Scare reactionism and with actual Red Spy tactics.

Are we really being reactionary when legit Cold War Era spy tactics are being used against the US, though?

I swear, her story reads exactly like what another Red Spy did in the 1960s. Have to go to a meeting but I will dig it up and see if I can find her name.

I don't suppose those tactics have changed much DDM.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Are we really being reactionary when legit Cold War Era spy tactics are being used against the US, though?

I'd say no, not unless our country is pulling similar shit in other countries. Which we'd never do I'm sure.

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Originally posted by Surtur
I'd say no, not unless our country is pulling similar shit in other countries. Which we'd never do I'm sure.
You really hate your own Country...

I find it funny that The Thread tried to make it sound like anyone every really thought that Russia WAS our "Friend". No really ever did... except for the American Left that is. The Love that Commie Socialism.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
You really hate your own Country...
Such a little pissant is he not.

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Originally posted by Putinbot1
You really hate your own Country...

Trump's thrown America under the bus in defense of Putin at least two notable times, in his interview with Bill O'Reilly and then again at Helsinki. Surt's just following the marching orders.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Sounds like classic 1950s, 1960s Red Scare reactionism and with actual Red Spy tactics.

Are we really being reactionary when legit Cold War Era spy tactics are being used against the US, though?

I swear, her story reads exactly like what another Red Spy did in the 1960s. Have to go to a meeting but I will dig it up and see if I can find her name.

How often do you think we spy on Russia or tap the phones of our allies like Germany and other allies. Seems like a game on who gets the one up for the day, week, month or year.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I swear, her story reads exactly like what another Red Spy did in the 1960s. Have to go to a meeting but I will dig it up and see if I can find her name.

I cannot find the story. I find too many references to recent stuff. I'll do more searching when I get home.

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Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How often do you think we spy on Russia or tap the phones of our allies like Germany and other allies. Seems like a game on who gets the one up for the day, week, month or year.

At any moment, probably near 100 Russian specific operatives at play with about 10 times that amount in back end administration for these operations.

Is the point of your question intended to diminish the fact of how deeply this Russian spy entrenched herself in the American Right? I do not believe it is diminished at all with the answer to your question. I do not believe this becomes "usual and customary" where this type of behavior should be considered normalized. From either country.

However, I am not so stupid as to not acknowledge that all G20 countries probably do this to each other.

Yea that my point, how do we claim the moral high ground on this type of activity when we do it to other countries?

Or is it "ah ha we caught you" moment.

Seems like a game to me, this woman is just a pawn on the field in the larger game of things.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yea that my point, how do we claim the moral high ground on this type of activity when we do it to other countries?

Or is it "ah ha we caught you" moment.

Seems like a game to me, this woman is just a pawn on the field in the larger game of things.

Agreed on all accounts. 👆

If Obama was in office, the GOP would be using this to come down on his Administration. Just the news wouldn't cover it nearly as much as they do with Trump.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Trump's thrown America under the bus in defense of Putin at least two notable times, in his interview with Bill O'Reilly and then again at Helsinki. Surt's just following the marching orders.
Pretty much Rob.

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Originally posted by Putinbot1
Pretty much Rob.

Putin's little helper it seems. Anyhow.

America does a lot of things to other countries which I do not agree with, but that doesn't mean that I'm okay with the same happening back to us because of it. eg I didn't agree with America mass-bombing Iraq, but I also wouldn't be okay with America being bombed because of it.

Using the "we do the same, we deserve it in return" mentality is silly. Using that reasoning an American shouldn’t have a problem with terrorist attacking America due to some of America’s questionable actions overseas, comrades.

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Exactly Rob, the UK and US have both been undermined by Russia and it is no accident.