Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by emporerpants
Good Lord...so where does this put Superman power wise? I'm just curious what you guys think. Honestly it seems more and more like deathbattle, for all it's faults, hit the nail on the hit with Superman: he is as strong as he needs to be and when the chips are well and truly down, he is pretty much invincible. He will somehow find a way if no one else can, he will find a way to win a fight if no one else can, he will be strong enough to do whatever it takes, etc. That is the way it feels to me. Or is that an over reaction on my part?

That's pretty much it, due to his role as the figurehead for DC, which Marvel doesn't really have.

It's why Carver et al hate the Full Capacity rule so much, and try to use averages or low showings, or misinterpret forum rules. Because DC don't write their characters to fit battleboards.

He's strong, fast, invulnerable, can fly and has ranged energy attacks. At any one point, he can max out those powers to levels that enable him to beat his opponents.

Race Wally? He can do that (and lose, but he has the best bet of racing).

Lift something heavy? He can do that.

Match something that's below absolute zero? He can do that.

Fly to the end of whatever? He can do that.

Tank XYZ? He can do that. Etc etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, you're spot on.

Most of us have been saying it for years, but in the end Superman > ALL when he needs to be. That is his essential/fundamental nature as a character.

Johns and Snyder are just running wild with that concept right now.

He has done it since 90's

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's pretty much it, due to his role as the figurehead for DC, which Marvel doesn't really have.

It's why Carver et al hate the Full Capacity rule so much, and try to use averages or low showings, or misinterpret forum rules. Because DC don't write their characters to fit battleboards.

He's strong, fast, invulnerable, can fly and has ranged energy attacks. At any one point, he can max out those powers to levels that enable him to beat his opponents.

Race Wally? He can do that (and lose, but he has the best bet of racing).

Lift something heavy? He can do that.

Match something that's below absolute zero? He can do that.

Fly to the end of whatever? He can do that.

Tank XYZ? He can do that. Etc etc.

Originally posted by CatL18
And Morrison too.

He has done it since 90's

But that's because Morrison views Superman as the ultimate hero -- just like he views Darkseid as the ultimate villain. He said as much in Supergods.

Bendis Superman is ridiculously powerful to the point that his new event Leviathan's villain flat out asks why anyone even bothers to fight him and you can't fight him head on.

Basically its War of the realms reverse.

Abhi I missed where they said it
Can you telll me?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Abhi I missed where they said it
Can you telll me?

https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/superman-leviathan-rising-special-2019/chapters/1/69.jpg

Edit: Oops

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Doomsday clock was written very well.

It really explain the DC universe structure as it is.

The prime universe, the main one, it’s ever-changing. Dr. Manhattan arrives to the DC a universe. To him, time is constant but he can see it all at once. In this world, he starts to notice time is different. At the start, he can’t understand it well.

He eventually starts to understand it. All the other universes, whether it is one universe or 52, or infinite amount are all splinters of the main one. If Superman arrived on earth in 1929 in the prime universe, all the other universe will be affected by that. IE It means the syndicate Superman likely arrive on earth about the same time. If the prime universe changes and Superman arrives at 1984, they also do. DM realizes that the prime universe changes from outside forces (writers and the our real time). Because of this, he calls it the metaverse.
He decided to tinker with the time to see what would happen but unexpectedly, the universe fights back. It in many ways tries to adjust itself.
The crazy part is, DM realizes the meta power of Superman and is legitimately scared of him. He actually acknowledges the possibility of Superman having the potential to kill him.

No crazy reveal but I do like that DC is fully embracing their time-line of Superman's arrival on earth to both establish the golden and silver ages (as well the modern age).

I actually like Issue. I’d give it a solid 9/10.
“I am a being of inaction on a collision course with the man of action” as Superman awaken...hyped!!!

Obviously this won’t be a real fight. Very likely, Superman's ability to inspire people that will be tested against DM.

Oh Heroes in Crisis was bad. Never really took off after issue #1

Manhattan, World Forger etc. aren't the first people threatening creation to explicitly single out Superman as the one they don't want against them. Even in Final Crisis, Darkseid [who was wielding the ALE and dragging the Multiverse down on his death bed] mocked Superman that he was not present when he came, and as a consequence everything went to shit:

Suffice to say - he is seen by everybody as the ultimate being on the side of good - both inside the Universe and out.

He has a meta-fictional robot made just for him, for Christ's sake.

Abhi...page stretcher overload.

Done

I have question that I can't fully understand.
Superman is the center of DC metaverse and Manhattan confirms that metaverse can create new settings like 52,Dark multiverse,etc.
Does it mean that metaverse created even DC Omniverse?
Are Monitors including Perpetua or Forger are created by metaverse's change?

Originally posted by CatL18
They still think that Cosmic Armor Superman=Chaos War Hercules.
Are they really reading comics?

I love the fact that most on cv nowadays place lucifer & michael above beyonder & molecule man

but they have no love for dr manhattan or morrison's creation of meta godly beings

most of them don't read comics, are under 18 years old , so can't expect much from them

Originally posted by CatL18
Are Monitors including Peropetua or Forger is created by metaverse's change?

Perpetua and her children were responsible for creating the original multiverse. The act of Perpetua and her horde being imprisoned on the Source Wall is what triggered the very first change in reality:
https://i.imgur.com/nzMgAD4.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
I love the fact that most on cv nowadays place lucifer & michael above beyonder & molecule man

but they have no love for dr manhattan or morrison's creation of hypergods.

most of them don't read comics, are under 18 years old , so can't expect much from them

Originally posted by Galan007
No, definitely not.

Perpetua and her children were responsible for creating the original multiverse. The act of Perpetua and her horde being imprisoned on the Source Wall is what triggered the very first change in reality:
https://i.imgur.com/nzMgAD4.jpg

This is Chicken or the egg argument for me.

We've not seen Manhattan interact with Perpetua and her sons on any level, nor have we seen him travel back to a time before they existed to initiate their creation.

So as of now, their existence is independent of his actions.

so the concept of metaverse has been changed?
i mean the one that spawns countless realities+shadow universes in each instant?

I feel that if it wasn't for the 'female furries' type of writers, Tom King would stand out as the worst by a mile to be working right now.

This is absolutely shocking.

Originally posted by Galan007
We've not seen Manhattan interact with Perpetua and her sons on any level, nor have we seen him travel back to a time before they existed to initiate their creation.

So as of now, their existence is independent of his actions.

the sanctuary shots in that issue had me in tears