Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Started by Galan0071,926 pages

Originally posted by Philosophía
Ok. So, where to start. At the top

The Source/Presence.

Now, I know that this is not canon in itself [kind of like the handbook], but it's for a fun talk, and I think the writer was undecided or there were multiple writers, because he didn't stick to a consistent interpretation here.

First, let's go by what's canon: The Presence/The Source are the same being:

Now, onto the Book. It's...contradicting itself. First, it makes it clear that the Presence is the Supreme being of the Omniverse that created Perpetua [a Hand]:

Then we get to the part where The Presence and the Source are considered separate entities:

But we also have it stated that the Cosmic Raptor is sent by agents of the Presence:

Now, back to canon, you both remember that the Raptor is specifically sent by agents of the Source:

All good, as within the canon books, the Source and the Presence are used interchangeably.

But then we go to other pages, and suddenly it's 180 and the Presence and the Source are not only different, but the Presence is stated, contradicted to what was written pages earlier, as the supreme being in the Multiverse but possibly not the Omniverse:

And the Source is defined separately:

Thoughts?

Sort of just reaffirms why the comics themselves should always take absolute precedence in matters of canonicity, and why handbooks/guidebooks should only be used as supplementary evidence when they align with on-panel happenings.

Great Apoc cosplay here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Great Apoc cosplay here.

Fun fact: Anti-Monitor predates Apocalypse.

ha-som

Originally posted by Galan007
Sort of just reaffirms why the comics themselves should always take absolute precedence in matters of canonicity, and why handbooks/guidebooks should only be used as supplementary evidence when they align with on-panel happenings.
I mostly like to read these [thanks to qwerty again!] as a semi serious fan fiction. Not that most comics nowadays aren't that....

Dammit. By one year, but still.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Dammit. By one year, but still.

I need some sugar

Look at the end, before his stats and abilities.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Daniel_Rand_(Earth-616)

Is that considered canon?

Because Danny hasn't show any of those abilities since. Siphoning off chi from an entire city of people would make the Dragon chi he lost kind of redundant.

1) A decade and a half spent on this site and you still can't post links right, huh?

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Daniel_Rand_(Earth-616)

2) There is just this before the Powers and Abilities section:

All-New All-Different
After dealing with former Heroes for Hire employee Jennifer Royce turned evil, Luke and Iron Fist reverted to crime-fighting as the Heroes for Hire.[71]

3) It's a fandom wiki link, ffs. It can be either very informative or useless, depending on who edited and maintained it.

This one is lacking a whole lot of citations --- so it's far from perfect.

Copy and paste the part you're questioning again.

That part doesn't count! All New All Different had nothing to it.

I clearly meant Living Weapon:

Iron Fist: The Living Weapon
After the events of the Avengers/X-Men War, Danny entered into a relationship with Brenda Swanson, a reporter who interviewed him about his family. After having sex with Brenda in the Rand Building, Danny was attacked by a cadre of undead ninjas. Moments later, a young monk named Pei stumbled into his apartment and collapsed before telling Danny to return to K'un-Lun.[60]

Danny later found a portal to K'un-Lun under one of the elevators in the Rand Building. As he made his way back to K'un Lun, he found the city engulfed in flames, destroyed by a mysterious hooded figure.[61]

One of the survivors blamed him for not being there as K'un-Lun's champion to defend it from invasion. Danny later grabbed the man and angrily demanded to be taken to Lei-Kung. Another survivor lead him to the Tree of Immortality, where Danny finds the Prince of Orphans waiting for him. He warned Danny not to go near Lei-Kung, but Danny ignored his pleas and found Lei-Kung decapitated. The Prince of Orphans later offered him the choice of life or death, but Danny angrily destroyed the Tree and engaged him in combat. He later recovered and was shocked to learn that the mysterious hooded figure was his own father.[62]

Danny was forced to use the Iron Fist against his father, but this didn't stagger him and the force broke his hands. He later realized that the mysterious figure wasn't his father and that his identity is the One.[63] The undead ninjas later surrounded him, but a mysterious man arrived on a sled and pulled him to safety.[64]

Danny awoke in a cave, where he met Fooh, a monk from K'un-Lun, and his old friend Sparrow. She tells Danny to stop Davos and the One as they have declared New York City as the New K'un Lun.[65]

Sparrow and Fooh nursed Danny back to health, and Fooh used some of K'un-Lun's forbidden technologies to forge metallic fists to compensate for the loss of his chi, and sent him to confront the spirit of his mother.[66] The two of them reconciled and together with Sparrow and Fooh, the three of them went back to New York to finally confront the One.[67]

They arrived at the Rand Building, where Sparrow faced against Davos and Danny faced the One once again, but was defeated. To counter this, the dead spirit of Fooh told Danny to use the chi of the citizens of K'un-Lun, thus empowering him once again.[68] Danny again fought the One, but the One utilized the chi to break the barriers of life and death to bring Heather Rand back into the living, but something else came out.[69]

The mysterious figure was revealed to be Zhu-Kong, the God of Fire and Universal Order. Zhu-Kong tried to punish everyone within New York but the One convinced Danny to merge with him, creating a giant robot. Zhu-Kong and the merged Danny battled it out through the streets of New York. Meanwhile, Davos killed the last incarnation of Shao-Lao and Danny's chi once again was depleted. However, the One gave him his last remaining ounce of chi and Rand once again engaged in combat against Zhu-Kong and defeated him as well.[70]

It lives out the follow up Immortal Iron Fists, where Pei goes to school and Danny hunts down elemental dragons. Featured the Mother Dragon, who is giant and pink.

Gonna assume none of Living Weapon is canon, because the latest series has no sign of Pei.

According to the fandom wiki, it is canon, as it's being referenced in Danny's 616 bio and the issues themselves are linking to 616 versions of characters, too.

Writers keep disregarding each other's work and continuity errors happen literally every week, so that alone is not an argument convincing enough for its non-canonicity.

You need something more, like a good interview or a handbook with the official numeric designation.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
According to the fandom wiki, it is canon, as it's being referenced in Danny's 616 bio and the issues themselves are linking to 616 versions of characters, too.

Writers keep disregarding each other's work and continuity errors happen literally every week, so that alone is not an argument convincing enough for its non-canonicity.

You need something more, like a good interview or a handbook with the official numeric designation.

Have you read any of Living Weapon and the spinoff? (The Immortal Iron Fists, with an S)

It's very trippy. The writer does creative stuff with chi, like turning Davos into Marvel's Parasite (Chi leech instantly turning victim into skeletons)

And Danny himself did weird things like animate a sky scraper, turning it into effectively a giant robot to box with a soul reaping flame demon thing.

I'm on the fence about Living Weapon personally, a lot of neat concepts but didn't like how he undid Davo's redemption arc, or had him murder Lei Kung the Thunderer.

Immortal Iron Fists I did like, but you might not since it really push's girl power with Pei in high school, riffing on 80's and 90's school shows like Saved By the Bell and The Breakfast Club and brought in a super ridiculous pink mother dragon.

So bad it's good imo.

I'm not really familiar with it, no.

Seems like you're not alone:

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/8vgktv/is_kaare_andrews_iron_fist_the_living_weapon/

The beauty (and the curse) of the superhero books is that everything gets back to the old status quo. Even most of the new costumes don't last.

So, no matter how much one tries to revolutionize the character, introduce new powers, new characters, new reveals and so on... it can all be next to meaningless, if the next creative team decides to ignore it and reset everything "back to normal".

Lol, now even Bizarro has time-manipulation power

https://ibb.co/Mk61Dmn

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, now even Bizarro has time-manipulation power

https://ibb.co/Mk61Dmn

I think the writers confuse themselves with bizarro speech.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I think the writers confuse themselves with bizarro speech.

Do you mean the narration takes the same pattern as Bizarro or the writer adds( or mistakes) Bizarro's powers?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Do you mean the narration takes the same pattern as Bizarro or the writer adds( or mistakes) Bizarro's powers?
when bizarro speaks it’s supposed to be opposites right. Sometimes they go half way. Opposite only parts of the sentence. I guess to keep it from confusing the reader.

@Diesldude

Yup, So this sentence should be translated to
"Bizarro activates his Super-Slow/Fast temporal coherence field power, Slowing down the movement of time for nothing except himself/ Speeding up the movement of time for himself" or something

Hard to tell whether it is time-slowing or time-speeding.....Neverthless, Bizarro still performed a weird time-manipulation ability.....

“slowing down the movement of time for everything but himself”

It’s Bizarro’s version of a “suddenly time stands still” moment. And implies that Bizarro’s super speed works a bit like Zoom’s? The Bizarro take on super speed is making the rest of the world super slow.

I dont know. The scene seems to portray his superspeed, but the narration used something like "temporal coherence field power" and "Slowing down the movement of time", which makes it confusing.

Judging by face value, it definitely looks like Bizarro's superspeed is related to time-manipulation. But it contradicts the character history. So maybe just one off weird ability?

Does Doomsday have some TP resistance feats?

I mean, I remember Manchester Black once cast illusion or something misdirected Doomsday to attack Imperiex Probes

But I find some material claimed Doomsday has TP immunity, and I recall Doomsday was pushing Brainiac's mind from his body which made Brainiac have to change host. Or when Doomsday Rex first appeared, he and MMH fought and it seems to imply Doomsday can resist his TP.

J'onn was able to say Rex was sentient and he still couldn't do shit about it - gotta count for something?