Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Thor never said it?Can you read?
Never facing anything like this before =/= This is the most dangerous fight of all.
If I get into a fight with a baby wearing a caterpillar outfit, it's something I've never actually faced before. Doesn't mean it's the most dangerous fight I've ever had.
Reading comprehension ftw, Carvy 😂
Hulk destroyed a being more powerful than the Celestials. Hulk is wrecking a skyfather. He's doing this while they are teaming up against him. Thor outright admits they've never fought anything like the Hulk. Hulk withstands an attack that is equivalent to hundreds of thousands of suns exploding and was said as being infinite, beyond human comprehension. Hulk powers through an attack that was mentioned as being equal to that of a Celestial. Even while getting his energy drained from a Celestial level being and Tony admitting it is too much energy, Hulk was still getting "more powerful". Can't wait to see which other character shows up to try and stop the Hulk. Maybe LT.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moreover, several things:1. It was B.O.S.S. who was measuring it. B.O.S.S, who isn't magical, but scientific A.I.
2. B.O.S.S. specifically mentions it's 'the force' of 3000 gamma bombs; Force is a physical concept:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForceIt's like saying Thor hits with the force of an elephant (for example). Sure, Thor is magical - but the force of an elephant is still a physical, scientific concept.
And we know gamma bombs, in Marvel, in a much more recent comic than Carver's, are on the order of magnitude of 68 Megatons.
Again, if gamma bombs are infinite (lol) how can you measure the force of 3000 x infinity lmao.
Carver, hello!
You KNOW I'll never give up lmao
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Recent Hulk issueHulk (2021) issue 7
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Commotion is over Carver blowing his load, as per usual. The issue itself is a fun read if you want to see two characters duke it out. As a source of battle board feats it's trash.Am interested in how this rage monster in Hulk will play out. He can now infect others with his rage, which is interesting.
Saint as always a wealth of knowledge. I will review the periodical and offer my assessment of the scenes in question. Prepare.
A gamma bomb is classified as a nuclear weapon, and in fiction, just as in real life, those can have different yields. That's why statements like 'the power of 1000 nukes' don't actually mean anything. 1000 Davy Crockett W54s compared to 1000 Tsar Bombas is a difference of around 5 million times. And nuclear weapons can be made much larger and more powerful than the Tsar Bomba (and in fiction, they often are).
So just because one particular gamma bomb had a yield of 68 megatons doesn't mean that all of them do.
Claiming that it's infinitely powerful makes no sense at all, though. The power of a nuclear weapon increases based on how much fuel it has. This fuel takes up space, so for a nuclear weapon to have infinite power, it would also have to have infinite size.
Even if you somehow got around that, the detonation of an infinitely powerful nuclear weapon would destroy the universe.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
A gamma bomb is classified as a nuclear weapon, and in fiction, just as in real life, those can have different yields. That's why statements like 'the power of 1000 nukes' don't actually mean anything. 1000 Davy Crockett W54s compared to 1000 Tsar Bombas is a difference of around 5 million times. And nuclear weapons can be made much larger and more powerful than the Tsar Bomba (and in fiction, they often are).So just because one particular gamma bomb had a yield of 68 megatons doesn't mean that all of them do.
Claiming that it's infinitely powerful makes no sense at all, though. The power of a nuclear weapon increases based on how much fuel it has. This fuel takes up space, so for a nuclear weapon to have infinite power, it would also have to have infinite size.
Even if you somehow got around that, the detonation of an infinitely powerful nuclear weapon would destroy the universe.
Pretty much.
My argument, however, was to refute Carver's claim that in Marvel, gamma bombs are apparently infinite. Thus proving him wrong, they are very much finite.
He then claims his scan of it being magical is recent AF, so my scan should logically (using his logic) supersede his, as mine's more recent.
I then use it as a rough guideline, and added 2Mt on top (for reference, Hiroshima was *only* 20 kilotons), rounding it up for ease of calculation. Giving it a ballpark figure of 210,000 Megatons.
Which sounds like a lot, but in comics, not so much. A VERY far cry from 3000 infinity bombs (whatever that means, lol).
You can adjust my figures up or down, but the main point is, in Marvel, gamma bombs are NOT infinitely powerful, and one would have to really ramp up the yield to make the feat impressive. You mentioned the Tsar Bomba; it *only* had a yield of 50Mtons, so I'm already being generous and going far in excess of the largest bomb known to us. And then adding an additional two million tons of TNT yield on top.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
A gamma bomb is classified as a nuclear weapon, and in fiction, just as in real life, those can have different yields. That's why statements like 'the power of 1000 nukes' don't actually mean anything. 1000 Davy Crockett W54s compared to 1000 Tsar Bombas is a difference of around 5 million times. And nuclear weapons can be made much larger and more powerful than the Tsar Bomba (and in fiction, they often are).So just because one particular gamma bomb had a yield of 68 megatons doesn't mean that all of them do.
Claiming that it's infinitely powerful makes no sense at all, though. The power of a nuclear weapon increases based on how much fuel it has. This fuel takes up space, so for a nuclear weapon to have infinite power, it would also have to have infinite size.
Even if you somehow got around that, the detonation of an infinitely powerful nuclear weapon would destroy the universe.
Out of curiosity, how much force does a spherical planetoid atomic explosion generate?
More specifically, how much force does the uranium planetoid generate in this scan?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
A gamma bomb is classified as a nuclear weapon, and in fiction, just as in real life, those can have different yields. That's why statements like 'the power of 1000 nukes' don't actually mean anything. 1000 Davy Crockett W54s compared to 1000 Tsar Bombas is a difference of around 5 million times. And nuclear weapons can be made much larger and more powerful than the Tsar Bomba (and in fiction, they often are).So just because one particular gamma bomb had a yield of 68 megatons doesn't mean that all of them do.
Claiming that it's infinitely powerful makes no sense at all, though. The power of a nuclear weapon increases based on how much fuel it has. This fuel takes up space, so for a nuclear weapon to have infinite power, it would also have to have infinite size.
Even if you somehow got around that, the detonation of an infinitely powerful nuclear weapon would destroy the universe.
I can agree with this but Dark is trying to limit the showing by saying since character A generates this kind of force then character B also generates the same amount of force even though we have no clue on how powerful the attack truly is or if Hulk energy equals She Hulks, etc... what we do know is, the attack was powerful enough to knock Thor TF out and outright destroy a Celestial level being. Trying to quantify how powerful 3000 gamma bombs are is laughable.
Originally posted by carver9
I can agree with this but Dark is trying to limit the showing by saying since character A generates this kind of force then character B also generates the same amount of force even though we have no clue on how powerful the attack truly is or if Hulk energy equals She Hulks, etc... what we do know is, the attack was powerful enough to knock Thor TF out and outright destroy a Celestial level being. Trying to quantify how powerful 3000 gamma bombs are is laughable.
Awwww, look at Carvy trying to debate! Look, it thinks it's people!
Cute.
Rememeber what YOU said?
Originally posted by carver9
Gamma bombs? How powerful is one gamma bomb via marvel standards?
Originally posted by carver9
Also, Gamma bombs has been stated in Marvel itself as having infinite energy.
Originally posted by carver9
So again, I think gamma in Marvel is treated differently.
You then place a lot of cachet in how recent a comic is:
Originally posted by carver9
It's not about distance since Marvel sees gamma as something entirely different. It's the type of attack...And this is recent AF by the way.
Your scan is from February 2019.
So if I show you how, in a recent Marvel comic, how Marvel sees gamma bombs, we're good, right?
Well, according to a Marvel comic:
Source: Avengers #50, December 2021
Looks like mine's more recent than yours, with a quantifiable yield and no mention of magic. Oh dear. Btw - that's an enhanced gamma bomb, no less. Meaning 68Mtons is high-end, which gels with our RL bombs being *only* 50Mtons.
I then added ANOTHER 2Mtons on top, and multiplied by 3,000. No low-balling here.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman solar energy output doesn't equal Supergirl solar energy output. This is not how comics work
So if the comic doesn't state how powerful Superman is in relation to Supergirl, do I just shrug and say hey, Superman is infinitely powerful? No. Batman is stronger than a normal human - do I jump straight to 'hey, he's a comic human, so he is infinitely stronger? No.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless otherwise stated, it's a general rule that things tend to work along the same lines, assuming they're not identical. It's like, a basic rule of fiction.Carver is wrong. Again.
So we know how powerful gamma bombs generally are - not 1million billion Mtons, or 5Mtons, or 0.0000001Mtons, but we have one that is 68. We also know how powerful normal nukes are - THE most powerful of all time was 50Mtons. So I am already being generous and assuming comic book bombs.
Again, we can add 2Mtons to it (to make 70), DOUBLE it (to make 140Mtons) and then round up (to make 150Mtons). So my DS Gamma bomb is far in excess of any bomb seen in comics, certainly a LOT more than what has been seen in RL.
Then multiply this by 3,000.
This gives 450,000 Mtons of force. Hell, let's then round up again to make it 500,000 Mtons of explosive force.
It is still pretty damn low by comic standards. Even after I have erred on the side of caution and doubled things, rounded up, added additional tons etc, it is still coming in at orders of magnitude below, say, this feat:
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Out of curiosity, how much force does a spherical planetoid atomic explosion generate?More specifically, how much force does the uranium planetoid generate in this scan?
Depends. According to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Conversion_to_other_units
You can see that if the planet was 'Earth-sized', and made purely of TNT, it would generate 6e15 Mtons of force.
So you can assume that planetoid there was....10%? Of Earth. We can assume the force is 10% of that. So 6e13Mtons of force. Of course, I'd assume a uranium sphere is far more explosive than TNT, but let's lowball.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Out of curiosity, how much force does a spherical planetoid atomic explosion generate?More specifically, how much force does the uranium planetoid generate in this scan?
Well if it was 'almost pure uranium', it would already be beyond critical mass and have exploded a long time ago. But ignoring that, if we assume that it had around the same percentage of U-235 as the Little Boy nuke, which had 64 kg of the stuff, and yielded 15 kilotons, that's a conversion rate of 0.234375 kilotons/kilogram.
As for what constitutes a 'planetoid', that generally means a larger minor planet, as in a large asteroid or small moon in terms of size.
So a minimum size to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium would be the size of Ceres, roughly, which has a volume of 434 million km^3. The density of uranium is 19.1 g/cm^3, which would make our mass at least 8.2894e21 kg, so using the conversion rate we got earlier, that gives us around 1.94e21 kilotons, or 1.94 yottatons.
Which is about 36 times more energy than the minimum required to destroy the Earth completely.
I probably messed up somewhere here, though.