Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by Astner
Yes, but I did concede the point for the Celestials because I don't think one can make an unambigious case for them being infinte (even though they did create the Beyonders), so I'm not sure why you'd still bring it up.

In Defenders Beyond, they're repeatedly presented as infinte beings with proper elaboration pertaining to their fuction of being a fail-safe for the infinite multiverse, even able to destroy it if need be (and this is what happened in Time Runs Out), and the finitude of their manifestations in physical reality are addressed as well.

In other words, there's enough evidence there to make a good case for it.

This doesn't apply to vague boasts.

I am saying you're being hypocritical, in short.

Originally posted by Astner
No, I do it against Marvel characters too, it's just that you happen to agree with me when I do.

😂

No, you don't.

No. The issue with the Silver Surfer is the nature of his power.

Means jackshit. Power cosmic is basically another plot device, just like pretty much any plot device.

That's not an edit, that's a misquote. I replied to Diesldude, I replied to you and him at the same time, and I accidently copy-pasted the post reference for your post instead of his.

I know you're upset with me, but I didn't think you'd be this hot-headed.

Who said anything about being upset? You broke a rule, you get reported.

Originally posted by Astner

In Defenders Beyond, they're repeatedly presented as infinte beings with proper elaboration pertaining to their fuction of being a fail-safe for the infinite multiverse, even able to destroy it if need be (and this is what happened in Time Runs Out), and the finitude of their manifestations in physical reality are addressed as well.

In other words, there's enough evidence there to make a good case for it.

This doesn't apply to vague boasts.

They were not infinite beings in secret wars. A bomb which destroyed several thousands universes destroyed entire Beyonder race. That's a finite number of universes destroyed, ergo Beyonders aren't infinite.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I bring it up to show that you aren't always objective, and take things at face value, then turn around and say you don't take things at face value and subject statements to rigorous scientific examination.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am saying you're being hypocritical, in short.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you don't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Means jackshit. Power cosmic is basically another plot device, just like pretty much any plot device.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said anything about being upset? You broke a rule, you get reported.

Originally posted by Astner
Then you're wrong. I'm objective, and a large part of being objective is being able to admit error.

I know what you're implying, it's just that you're wrong.

Yes, I do.

It's the versatility of it that makes it difficult to overcome by conventional superheroes. The Silver Surfer virtually have all superpowers, but no notable weaknesses.

You don't have to say anything. It's an overreaction on your part that's not going to lead anywhere.

Anyway, see you in the discussion with Hal Jordan and his weakness to yellow.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So "different rules for thee but not me".

You're conflating a vague boast with a very elaborate case. If the Beyonder simply referred to himself as "infinite," and left it at that, then you'd be correct in that the cases would've been similar. But instead we got a full explanation for existence and power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They were not infinite beings in secret wars. A bomb which destroyed several thousands universes destroyed entire Beyonder race. That's a finite number of universes destroyed, ergo Beyonders aren't infinite.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So how can you still be unsure as to why I am bringing it up, when you know what I am implying?

Originally posted by Astner

Yes, I do.

No, you don't.

It's the versatility of it that makes it difficult to overcome by conventional superheroes. The Silver Surfer virtually have all superpowers, but no notable weaknesses.

No, he doesn't has virtually all superpowers and he has vulnerabilities too. He's very susceptible to energy drained for starters.

You don't have to say anything. It's an overreaction on your part that's not going to lead anywhere.

😂

Originally posted by Astner
No.

You're conflating a vague boast with a very elaborate case. If the Beyonder simply referred to himself as "infinite," and left it at that, then you'd be correct in that the cases would've been similar. But instead we got a full explanation for existence and power.

But he just boasted he was infinite, no explanation was given.

But they didn't die, only their finite forms were destroyed.

Nope.

Because, I've explained it to you before. So unless you want me to repeat myself, there's no reason for you to bring it up.

😂

No, you didn't. You couldn't explain and ran away.

Originally posted by Astner
No.

You're conflating a vague boast with a very elaborate case. If the Beyonder simply referred to himself as "infinite," and left it at that, then you'd be correct in that the cases would've been similar. But instead we got a full explanation for existence and power.

But they didn't die, only their finite forms were destroyed.

Because, I've explained it to you before. So unless you want me to repeat myself, there's no reason for you to bring it up.

It still does not negate your hypocrisy, so am free to bring it up whenever and wherever I want.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you don't.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes, I do.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you don't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he doesn't has virtually all superpowers and he has vulnerabilities too. He's very susceptible to energy drained for starters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But he just boasted he was infinite, no explanation was given.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

And then it's brought up throughout.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It still does not negate your hypocrisy, so am free to bring it up whenever and wherever I want.

All good debaters have conceded arguments. The fact that you haven't, only means that you can't count yourself among them.

Originally posted by Astner
[B]Like arguing with a three-year-old...

I dumb my argument down for your benefit. Do you need further dumbing down?

Can you name one superpower that he doesn't have?

Let's just detail a few which GLs have done.

Can't resurrect the dead
Can't manipulate souls
Can't create something from nothing
Can't reverse time

Just from the top of my head.

No, this is well-detailed in the story.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

And then it's brought up throughout.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

I see nothing but empty boasts. Can you provide one feat there?

This was retconned. They did it on a whim, and they survived.

Its like you can't even read. The dialogue is "if it was on a whim, that would be one thing". It wasn't on a whim.

And they were resurrected alongside the multiverse, nothing indicates they survived.

Originally posted by Astner
Like arguing with a three-year-old...

Can you name one superpower that he doesn't have?

No, this is well-detailed in the story.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

And then it's brought up throughout.

- Defenders: Beyond #2

This was retconned. They did it on a whim, and they survived.

The fact that you consider it hypocritic to concede a point proves how poor of a grasp you have on the dialectic method.

All good debaters have conceded arguments. The fact that you haven't, only means that you can't count yourself among them.

Then accept things at face value, then use it to bolster your biased point.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes, because I'm prone rigorous analysis.

I don't choke on my own saliva every time a character that I happen to like asserts that he's invincible. Instead I take a step back, break down the scene, and see if there's enough there to make a good enough case for his supposed invincibility.

Yes. This is what happened. However, it bares mentioning that Superman returned through a wormhole.

There are two issues I have with this. Firstly, you're assuming the claim is literal and correct. Secondly, you're ignoring the word "largely."

With no other evidence added: Could you be correct in your interpretation? Yes. Could you make a convincing case for it? No.

Also superman has travelled the entire dc universe in a month or so. . DC universe is 100 trillion light years across. Distance literally doesn’t mean anything to him. Never has, and that wasn’t even his best speed feat.

Just read action comics 1050.
WTF
Is Superman an abstract now? New Reality/Matter manipulation powers? He dismantled lex’s suit with a touch. Same suit that survived being punched to space and slammed into the moon and he just taps it and it comes apart.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Just read action comics 1050.
WTF
Is Superman an abstract now? New Reality/Matter manipulation powers? He dismantled lex’s suit with a touch. Same suit that survived being punched to space and slammed into the moon and he just taps it and it comes apart.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I feel it like some tk powers, probably derived from his biofield

tactile telekinesis

testicle telekinesis

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
tactile telekinesis

Originally posted by Parmaniac
testicle telekinesis