Originally posted by carver9facepalm
Would you consider this a blitz from WW? Amazo is looking directly at Wonder Woman and Superman by the way.
That Amazo had his memories merged with Red Tornado's. He thought he was RT. He was in love with RT's wife and got "blitzed" by her too:
("blitz" in quotes, for sarcasm)
Then he thought the League were his friends... so he's facing them but he's not fighting them. In fact he seems to take pages to process that his friends are trying to kill him.
As soon as Amazo realized the League weren't his friends, he flipped the script and Wonder Woman couldn't touch him:
So no, definitely not a blitz.
Originally posted by Smurph
facepalmThat Amazo had his memories merged with Red Tornado's. He thought he was RT. He was in love with RT's wife and got "blitzed" by her too:
("blitz" in quotes, for sarcasm)
Then he thought the League were his friends... so he's facing them but he's not fighting them. In fact he seems to take pages to process that his friends are trying to kill him.
As soon as Amazo realized the League weren't his friends, he flipped the script and Wonder Woman couldn't touch him:
So no, definitely not a blitz.
Same page he is getting his legs carved up by Batman (after Diana wrapped him up), Flash speed was referenced. It's clear the writer knew he had that kind of speed. Heck, Clark tried to heat vision his eyes out and he was able to counter it. Yes, the speed was there.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, they blitzed him while he was subdued. I never denied that.
This you?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol at you accusing me of cheapening the word blitz when you argued that Black Canary and Batman blitzed Amazo, troll.
IOW, you.....accused me of being a troll for saying he got blitzed, then turn around and say....he got blitzed?
WTF man 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Btw, Black Canary also blitzed Amazo:This you?
IOW, you.....accused me of being a troll for saying he got blitzed, then turn around and say....he got blitzed?
WTF man 😂
Yep, I never said that they couldn't grab him from behind while he's all tied up from Wonder Woman. QUOTE me where I said otherwise.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I never said that they couldn't grab him from behind while he's all tied up from Wonder Woman. QUOTE me where I said otherwise.
The grabbing isn't the issue?
It's the fact that Canary and Lightning are up in his face, IN FRONT OF HIM, and he can't react (I left it out to see if you would try and argue that lmao):
1. Situation: Attack. Solu - this is when Canary and Lightning jump on him. First panel in my previous post.
2. Situation: Attack. Solution: - this is when they are in front of him, in his face, Lightning is charging up his kamehameha. This is the panel in this post.
3. Situation: Attack. Solution:co - this is when they scream in his face and Lightning gets behind Amazo and shoots him. Second panel in my prevous post.
After Step 1, they were in front of Amazo, and he was still too slow to even form a counterattack to them. They blitzed him good and proper, as well as WW did and even better than Superman did (even though Amazo tried to avoid Superman's HV). I'm pretty sure he was tied up yet was still able to dodge Superman's HV, no?
Good points, carvy 👆 Canary and Lightning blitzed Amazo in front of him.
Up to this point, he still thinks they're his friends:
THAT'S the only reason why they managed to get in as many hits as they did. Was WW tying up Amazo fast? Yes, of course it was. It was faster than a human could blink, but that's it.
Originally posted by carver9You're not responding to the problem.
Same page he is getting his legs carved up by Batman (after Diana wrapped him up), Flash speed was referenced. It's clear the writer knew he had that kind of speed. Heck, Clark tried to heat vision his eyes out and he was able to counter it. Yes, the speed was there.
Amazo was missing most of his memories, and his mind was mixed up with RT's. He thought he was a Leaguer. He was up against a human opponent who he thought he was in love with. Meanwhile, he thought Wonder Woman and Superman were his friends.
He wasn't processing anything properly or quickly. He certainly wasn't behaving like himself.
You're like "flash speed was referenced!" but this is like Flash with Alzheimer's getting sneak attacked while mid delusion.
To say nothing of the fact that it's such a stretch to call roping a single limb while Superman simultaneously attacks a... "blitz". Again, you water down the word til it loses any meaning.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The grabbing isn't the issue?It's the fact that Canary and Lightning are up in his face, IN FRONT OF HIM, and he can't react (I left it out to see if you would try and argue that lmao):
1. Situation: Attack. Solu - this is when Canary and Lightning jump on him. First panel in my previous post.
2. Situation: Attack. Solu[b]tion:
- this is when they are in front of him, in his face, Lightning is charging up his kamehameha. This is the panel in this post.3. Situation: Attack. Solution:co - this is when they scream in his face and Lightning gets behind Amazo and shoots him. Second panel in my prevous post.
After Step 1, they were in front of Amazo, and he was still too slow to even form a counterattack to them. They blitzed him good and proper, as well as WW did and even better than Superman did (even though Amazo tried to avoid Superman's HV).
Good points, carvy 👆 Canary and Lightning blitzed Amazo in front of him. [/B]
Attack from the back...
Laid down and tied up...
Laid down and tied up...
Kinda like implying Doomsday doesn't have speed since slow people tagged him and saw him fight (humans) while Superman had to up his speed. Damn, even Lois stood right beside Doomsday and Superman while they were fighting. I guess Superman and Doomsday are slow AF. This scene happened AFTER Superman said he needs to up his speed by the way...
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Remember, you're the same troll that posted Superman and Doomsday being called out by humans as moving in a blur. Admit to me that Doomsday is slow AF and I'll concede the WW scan. Hypocrite.
Originally posted by carver9
Attack from the back...Laid down and tied up...
Laid down and tied up...
So...it wasn't a blitz? Or they blitzed him when he was subdued?
Not sure what being tied up has to do with anything, when YOU pointed out he was still fast enough to avoid Clark's HV lmao. When he was tied up. This you?
Originally posted by carver9
It's clear the writer knew he had that kind of speed. Heck, Clark tried to heat vision his eyes out and he was able to counter it. Yes, the speed was there.
He's tied up when he was fast enough to avoid Superman. Tied up when Canary and Lightning were in his face. Yet was only able to avoid Superman. Let's check:
Yup, he's tied up, writer knew he had that kind of speed 😂
I'd argue that Superman is just slower than Canary and Lightning, but you already argued that 'the writer knew he had that kind of speed'. Can't have it both ways 😂
Funnily enough, being tied up didn't help the League much here:
Smurph was right, he was simply confused and thought they were his friends, giving the League the chance to jump him. Once he realised they weren't there to play, he phucked them up.
Originally posted by carver9
So you skipped the Doomsday vs Superman scene. Admit that none of DOS was at super speed and I'll take away the WW scene. Remember, Superman upped his speed.
Let's focus on one thing at a time lol, I know what you are trying to do which is deflect when you are backed into a corner.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So...it wasn't a blitz? Or they blitzed him when he was subdued?Not sure what being tied up has to do with anything, when YOU pointed out he was still fast enough to avoid Clark's HV lmao. When he was tied up. This you?
[QUOTE=17768430]Originally posted by carver9
[B] It's clear the writer knew he had that kind of speed. Heck, Clark tried to heat vision his eyes out and he was able to counter it. Yes, the speed was there.
He's tied up when he was fast enough to avoid Superman. Tied up when Canary and Lightning were in his face. Yet was only able to avoid Superman. Let's check:
Yup, he's tied up, writer knew he had that kind of speed 😂
I'd argue that Superman is just slower than Canary and Lightning, but you already argued that 'the writer knew he had that kind of speed'. Can't have it both ways 😂
Funnily enough, being tied up didn't help the League much here:
Smurph was right, he was simply confused and thought they were his friends, giving the League the chance to jump him. Once he realised they weren't there to play, he phucked them up. [/B][/QUOTE]
In summary: WW WAS fast, but not Flash-level or anything like that. She was simply faster than Roy could blink - which is still pretty fast, but that's it. Amazo wasn't in his right mind, was all confused, and his battle computer mind couldn't even form counterattacks, as we clearly see in the text. That's all I am saying.
Originally posted by carver9
Would you consider this a blitz from WW? Amazo is looking directly at Wonder Woman and Superman by the way.
I mean, yeah, she did it without him even reacting to it.. I would say yeah, what comes into question is Amazos mindset tho during a lot of that. Seemed more busy talking to himself than fighting.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I mean, yeah, she did it without him even reacting to it.. I would say yeah, what comes into question is Amazos mindset tho during a lot of that. Seemed more busy talking to himself than fighting.
This. I mean, I'm not saying Alfred or the Penguin could've done what WW did in that scene, but all the League did was take advantage of a confused doddery robot and his malfunctioning schizo computer brain. Once he realised the Situation he was in, and created a Solution , they were phucked.
So I was reading Superman unlimited #1
He was called on to prevent an asteroid from crashing into earth because the JLA heavy hitters were out in space.
So at that point it got me to think, I kid you not, if Superman is just another heavy hitter with a big weakness, why does he need that weakness at all?
Of course Superman is special, at a time when he was pretty much the only superhero on earth, villains like Luther needed K. Even overpowered celestial threats from outer space needed to exploit his weakness. But now since there are other heavy hitters, why does he need a weakness? and then the ending lol