Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Look. Here it is.

Black Bolt was absorbed by Galactus. Galactus then had a bad stomach upset. He's literally doubled over in pain:

The stomach upset is so bad, it's felt across the universe. I mean, if any of you have ever done ANYTHING, be it a boxing match, or a swim meet, or sitting an important exam - if you have tummy trouble so bad you're literally flooding the entire room/school, that's....you're not at 100%. Doesn't matter how much you trained beforehand, or how many supplements you took, or how much steroids you pumped yourself full of beforehand.

Then suddenly you get suckerpunched (Carver is always hyping up the suckerpunch).

Next, Carver asserts that he CAN'T have been weakened, as 'moments later':

Originally posted by carver9
Moments after this, it was outright said Living Tribunal knew fear...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41686822/Doctor_Strange_016-017.jpg.html

Some weakness.

As Goobs has explained, LT wasn't scared of G. Even so, AFTER Glads was killed, we saw Galactus absorbing and feeding upon everyone else:

Thousands upon thousands:

Everyone and everything they EVER knew:

AND even then, trying to assign a 'scientific' number to it, is pointless, because:

The laws of science were being rewritten. Asserting that lightspeed was still = lightspeed, or whatever, is kinda hard to assert when we're told constants were being rewritten.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah. Well by my own particular reading, it seemed like Galactus was basically amped but was also having ill effects from the process. These aren't real estimates, but let's say that absorbing all that made him 5 times more powerful, but then the ill effects reduced his stamina and functionality by 2/3. Thus he was still more powerful than he was in the beginning, but not by a whole truckload because the change that was happening was having a big negative impact. That's why Satannus was still able to hang with him for a bit even though he'd already absorbed Dormy.

Pretty much, and one's mileage may very depending on what spin you want to put on things. I said from the very start it was a damn fine feat (amazing was the word I used).

But acting like the 12 year old who sucker punched Tyson in his prime as he is shitting himself with an upset stomach, can challenge for the heavyweight championship belt, is false.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Look. Here it is.

Black Bolt was absorbed by Galactus. Galactus then had a bad stomach upset. He's literally doubled over in pain:

The stomach upset is so bad, it's felt across the universe. I mean, if any of you have ever done ANYTHING, be it a boxing match, or a swim meet, or sitting an important exam - if you have tummy trouble so bad you're literally flooding the entire room/school, that's....you're not at 100%. Doesn't matter how much you trained beforehand, or how many supplements you took, or how much steroids you pumped yourself full of beforehand.

Then suddenly you get suckerpunched (Carver is always hyping up the suckerpunch).

Next, Carver asserts that he CAN'T have been weakened, as 'moments later':

As Goobs has explained, LT wasn't scared of G. Even so, AFTER Glads was killed, we saw Galactus absorbing and feeding upon everyone else:

Thousands upon thousands:

Everyone and everything they EVER knew:

AND even then, trying to assign a 'scientific' number to it, is pointless, because:

The laws of science were being rewritten. Asserting that lightspeed was still = lightspeed, or whatever, is kinda hard to assert when we're told constants were being rewritten.

Pretty much, and one's mileage may very depending on what spin you want to put on things. I said from the very start it was a damn fine feat (amazing was the word I used).

But acting like the 12 year old who sucker punched Tyson in his prime as he is shitting himself with an upset stomach, can challenge for the heavyweight championship belt, is false.

To borrow your shitting analogy, lets say that a boxer pumps himself up by 75 lbs with steroids(IE Galactus new form and powers over magic) but then one day he takes a bigger dose than he should and gets the shits(IE Galactus suffering ill effects from just how quickly he's changing and amping)... carv seems to think you're saying that the guy having the shits is making him weaker than he was before he initially gained the 75 lbs.

He might be, he might not be. Doesn't take anything away from the kid who punched him whilst he's literally pooping himself (look at that art....he looks like he's in full flow lol).

But assigning hard values is incorrect, ESPECIALLY since we're told science is breaking down (and was already doing so in the previous issue).

So in your example....I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to land a few good punches on Tyson as he's pooping, doubling over in pain when he least expects it. But let's not pretend even without the 75lb amp, that I could just as easily take Tyson as I did when he was pooping.

Edit: Especially when the laws of physics are being rewritten, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He might be, he might not be. Doesn't take anything away from the kid who punched him whilst he's literally pooping himself (look at that art....he looks like he's in full flow lol).

But assigning hard values is incorrect, ESPECIALLY since we're told science is breaking down (and was already doing so in the previous issue).

So in your example....I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to land a few good punches on Tyson as he's pooping, doubling over in pain when he least expects it. But let's not pretend even without the 75lb amp, that I could just as easily take Tyson as I did when he was pooping.

Edit: Especially when the laws of physics are being rewritten, lol.

Your comparison is wrong though. You're using Tyson as Galactus (Abstract levels) and Gladiator (supposedly Herald tier) as the kid when the gap should be MUCH larger than that. Your comparison should be, if Terrax was taking a dump and Darksaint walked over and punched him, would it have an effect. Crapping in a toilet doesnt weaken your durability or strength, etc... lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He might be, he might not be. Doesn't take anything away from the kid who punched him whilst he's literally pooping himself (look at that art....he looks like he's in full flow lol).

But assigning hard values is incorrect, ESPECIALLY since we're told science is breaking down (and was already doing so in the previous issue).

So in your example....I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to land a few good punches on Tyson as he's pooping, doubling over in pain when he least expects it. But let's not pretend even without the 75lb amp, that I could just as easily take Tyson as I did when he was pooping.

Edit: Especially when the laws of physics are being rewritten, lol.

You might last longer against Tyson when he's pooping, but if he's got 75lbs more muscle a single hit would still be strait up more powerful than a similar hit without the 75 lbs of extra muscle. The photons from the blast Glads outraced were still moving at the speed of photons(Strange wouldn't wouldn't have said it if that were the kind of law breaking down right then), and Big G still had more power behind the blast that Glad's initially weathered than he does behind his normal eye blasts. I do see the opening punch as impressive too because the narration about Glad's make it clear that the whole thing is supposed to be impressive for him, but I don't think it's supposed to be one of those things that are impossibly impressive in universe or anything like that because Big G was already in pain.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I no, I'm in no way suggesting that any hard values should be assigned. I think he's more powerful than normal, but the story in no way suggest by how much.

You might last longer against Tyson when he's pooping, but if he's got 75lbs more muscle a single hit would still be strait up more powerful than a similar hit without the 75 lbs of extra muscle. The photons from the blast Glads outraced were still moving at the speed of photons(Strange wouldn't wouldn't have said it if that were the kind of law breaking down right then), and Big G still had more power behind the blast that Glad's initially weathered than he does behind his normal eye blasts. I do see the opening punch as impressive too because the narration about Glad's make it clear that the whole thing is supposed to be impressive for him, but I don't think it's supposed to be one of those things that are impossibly impressive in universe or anything like that because Big G was already in pain.

Pretty much 👆

As I said, amazing feat. Doesn't mean one has to make it any more than it should be.

I am kinda confused by this whole transformation by Big G though. I mean the guy was absorbing power from Mephisto's realm just fine. Even if Dormy is more powerful than Meph, this really seems to go in the face of previous showings.

As I said before -- I find the relative comparison to the other heroes the impressive part here. Glads was clearly portrayed as above the rest. The other feats? Hurting a shitting-himself-with-pain Galactus? If I had a nickle for every time stuff like this has been done...myeah. Withstanding a blast from Galactus [even if it was for a few instants?] before getting killed? Again, this wouldn't be as impressive - if only for the fact that Surfer/Hulk/etc were one-shotted. Another good part is confirmation that Gladiator can dodge lightspeed attacks [and not aim dodge them, but actually see and move out of the way]. Probably his best reaction speed feat to date. And I like how his invulnerability is psionic in the literal sense [well -- this might hinder him, actually, but that's a discussion for another time]

I'll try again, but -- Black Bolt, anybody? He hurt Galactus more than every other hero combined did?

..

Anybody?

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House of X thoughts:

- It's great
- The 'tumor' flower? Hm.
- I get a weird feeling about the island - a dream-like state. There's too much thought put into it to really think it's an astral place, but I think it's possible something's being done to its inhabitants. Xavier seems....weird.
- I love how Proteus and Jaime Braddock's powers are classified as the same [reality manipulation], but different [quantum vs psionic]
- Mister M is on the Omega list -- which is a name not heard of in a long time, unless I missed something. He might not factor into this, but it's good to see Hickman has really done his research. As I said before -- I'm surprised Exodus is an Omega Telekinetic. Also -- Xavier is designed as an Alpha.

Yes yes Blackagar did well.

Prove that the photons Glads outsped were light speed😈

I know, I know...

https://imgur.com/a/cV3qeop
https://imgur.com/a/RB4gT5f

Originally posted by Phil
House of X thoughts:

- It's great
- The 'tumor' flower? Hm.
- I get a weird feeling about the island - a dream-like state. There's too much thought put into it to really think it's an astral place, but I think it's possible something's being done to its inhabitants. Xavier seems....weird.
- I love how Proteus and Jaime Braddock's powers are classified as the same [reality manipulation], but different [quantum vs psionic]
- Mister M is on the Omega list -- which is a name not heard of in a long time, unless I missed something. He might not factor into this, but it's good to see Hickman has really done his research. As I said before -- I'm surprised Exodus is an Omega Telekinetic. Also -- Xavier is designed as an Alpha.

Regarding Mister M being listed: considering this is supposed to be a complete brand revamp, I won't at all be surprised if he appears on panel again -- at this stage it wouldn't make sense to name him, but not show him... Here's hoping. 👆

I'm curious if Magneto will get the "Dr. Doom" treatment [i.e. utmost respect] the latter got in FF/Avengers saga. He's the first writer [unless I'm drawing a blank] to classify him as Omega directly -- even though Joseph [his clone] was classified as Omega, so that would make him, too.

I also like how he has tidbits from his other runs [Sol's Anvil in the Damage area, Franklin hints, stuff like this]. It feels like one continuous saga flowing into each other.

...the Wolverine page was so weird. At least Sabretooth taking on Thing got Stilt hard.

Personally, I think was wrong to make Mag's an Omega. I mean how many established characters are they going to shoehorn into that damn classification. I wish they'd never even come up with the whole "omega mutant" thing at this point.

Originally posted by Phil
I'm curious if Magneto will get the "Dr. Doom" treatment [i.e. utmost respect] the latter got in FF/Avengers saga. He's the first writer [unless I'm drawing a blank] to classify him as Omega directly -- even though Joseph [his clone] was classified as Omega, so that would make him, too.

I also like how he has tidbits from his other runs [Sol's Anvil in the Damage area, Franklin hints, stuff like this]. It feels like one continuous saga flowing into each other.

Hickman is going to wank the bejesus out of Magneto, no doubt. He's already an Omega-level mutant whose abilities "cannot be surpassed", ffs.

Yeah, he's definitely pulling bits of canon from several other runs, and not just throwing everything else away, which is great... Makes it feel much more cohesive that way.

This issue left me very optimistic for things to come.

👆

100% it's no coincidence that Xavier looks like Maker. It's too obvious - - both the look and the answer. So it might be just a hint. Maybe a Xorn situation, but with Xavier.

Glad we got it out the way that Galactus wasnt weakened and Gladiator threw a punch that was felt across the universe while flying through Galactus blast and punching blood out of his mouth.

Originally posted by carver9
and punching blood out of his mouth.

Why in the hell would blood fling out of his mouth when he gets hit hard?

Originally posted by Galan007
This kind of inconsistency really grinds my gears. Galactus isn't a flesh and blood, physical being. He's cosmic energy.

Why in the hell would blood fling out of his mouth when he gets hit hard?

Think of it as of cosmic energy masquerading as blood, then...

Much better.

Ty. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Much better.

Ty. 👆

No problem.

Gladiator's attack plan was kinda retarded, btw. "I'm gonna cook him with my Pr vision".