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MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
😂 It really has all been leading to this now that I think about it...
-First Starlin had Thanos attain a Cosmic Cube, which gave him a taste of divine power.
-Next Starlin had Thanos attain the IG, which made him 'God' within reality, but still likely below LT.
-Then Starlin had Thanos attain THOTI, which gave him a taste of AAO's power, and put him solidly above LT.
-And now Starlin gave Thanos the means to actually defeat/absorb/become AAO himself.
...What's next, ffs? 😬

does that mean TOAA being the writer is retconned?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by MrMind
does that mean TOAA being the writer is retconned?

TOAA can be hinted to be the writer(s).

But he'll never actually be one(s). He's still a fictional character.

So... once a new (or new-old) writer... let's say, a superstar like Starlin... comes and says "he doesn't like it", editors don't have a lot to say.

I'm surprised he didn't have Thanos doggystyle'ing TOAA.

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
TOAA can be hinted to be the writer(s).
But he'll never actually be one(s). He's still a fictional character.
So... once a new (or new-old) writer... let's say, a superstar like Starlin... comes and says "he doesn't like it", editors don't have a lot to say.
I'm surprised he didn't have Thanos doggystyle'ing TOAA.

there's only one being thanos wanna doggystyle

I can't blame him, she is sexy

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Seems like different takes on TOAA to be frank. Unlike the other cosmics TOAA didn't have a design for the longest time. Even Jack Kirby, from Fantastic Four #511, and the homeless man from Sensational Spider-man Vol 2 #40 were never called TOAA, but God.

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Cosmic forces conspiring to make physics possible for man. The concept is still fair.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

@MrMaster
While trying to quote you, I deleted your post and mine. Completely inadvertent, and I legit apologize... Feel free to repost if you'd like. 😮

Annnyyyyway, I hope you're right and Thanos /w/ AAO's power is indeed acting in a full, creation-spanning capacity, and not just in a universal capacity like some of the other panels indicate.

Either way, I'm still having a hard time with the notion that Thanos /w/ the cumulative power of a single reality can pose a threat to, and ultimately defeat, AAO. Starlin is trying to chalk up his ability to overpower AAO to having absorbed the power of an 'Astral Regulator', along with every being/item within his universe... But it shouldn't matter what he's absorbed. Defeating AAO simply should not be in the realm of possibility, imo.

Starlin is going bananas here. ermm

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Galan007
Either way, I'm still having a hard time with the notion that Thanos /w/ the cumulative power of a single reality can pose a threat to, and ultimately defeat, AAO.

He didn't. In the end of Infinity Conflict Thanos, who had absorbed all the cosmic entities of his own reality, merged with the alternate version of himself who guided him through it.

So 616 Thanos wasn't the first to go through all of this, and it will likely go on until all versions of Thanos across the Multiverse are one.

What's interesting is the fact that Thanos already absorbed the Living Tribunal. So I'm guessing the Living Tribunal who's up there with the One-Above-All is the multiversal embodiment of the Living Tribunal.

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Amadeus Cho and the god squad fought the dreamscape and won. Soon the enemy will have no where left to hide.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by Galan007
😂 It really has all been leading to this now that I think about it...
-First Starlin had Thanos attain a Cosmic Cube, which gave him a taste of divine power.
-Next Starlin had Thanos attain the IG, which made him 'God' within reality, but still likely below LT.
-Then Starlin had Thanos attain THOTI, which gave him a taste of AAO's power, and put him solidly above LT.
-And now Starlin gave Thanos the means to actually defeat/absorb/become AAO himself.
...What's next, ffs? 😬

He will get up after getting decked by Superman then he'll die only on the second punch

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Astner
He didn't. In the end of Infinity Conflict Thanos, who had absorbed all the cosmic entities of his own reality, merged with the alternate version of himself who guided him through it.
So 616 Thanos wasn't the first to go through all of this, and it will likely go on until all versions of Thanos across the Multiverse are one.
What's interesting is the fact that Thanos already absorbed the Living Tribunal. So I'm guessing the Living Tribunal who's up there with the One-Above-All is the multiversal embodiment of the Living Tribunal.

That's what I thought as well... But that doesn't really mesh with what we were told in the first few pages of the sequence you posted.

"I, Thanos of Titan, am now all that there is within the boundaries of THIS reality!":
https://i.imgur.com/pymsfM6.jpg

"We demand your subservience and that you return the UNIVERSE to its previous state!":
https://i.imgur.com/OOevJYR.jpg

But again, even if Thanos has indeed absorbed every iota of power in the entire Marvel multiverse in this, he still shouldn't be able to defeat AAO, imo. Marvel's Supreme Being should not be so immensely finite and fallible, nor should its 'omnipotence' be wholly dependent on "a well-functioning system":

srug

Moreover, this kind of absurdity also sets the stage for a valid argument to be made that a character like pre-retcon Beyonder(who was MILLIONS of times more powerful than the multiverse combined) could legitimately one-shot AAO/TOAA... As could any being with Beyonder-tier power.

Just seems odd to me, is all... But if that's what Marvel/Starlin is going with, then so be it.

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I thought as well... But that doesn't really mesh with what we were told in the first few pages of the sequence you posted.
"I, Thanos of Titan, am now all that there is within the boundaries of THIS reality!":
https://i.imgur.com/pymsfM6.jpg
"We demand your subservience and that you return the UNIVERSE to its previous state!":
https://i.imgur.com/OOevJYR.jpg
But again, even if Thanos has indeed absorbed every iota of power in the entire Marvel multiverse in this, he still shouldn't be able to defeat AAO, imo. Marvel's Supreme Being should not be so immensely finite and fallible, nor should its 'omnipotence' be wholly dependent on "a well-functioning system":
srug
Moreover, this kind of absurdity also sets the stage for a valid argument to be made that a character like pre-retcon Beyonder(who was MILLIONS of times more powerful than the multiverse combined) could legitimately one-shot AAO/TOAA... As could any being with Beyonder-tier power.
Just seems odd to me, is all... But if that's what Marvel/Starlin is going with, then so be it.

👆 how can he be depended on a well functioning system? Unless he didn't create the system. If it was his system, he could just say eh, i dont like this im gonna do away with it.

Sin I AM Madame Mort

Meh. You guys all hot and bothered it will be retconned

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Sin speaking truths.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh. You guys all hot and bothered it will be retconned

Yeah, TOAA will get even weaker with time.

Badabing Gym rat

This may have been addressed earlier, but I'm too lazy to search this thread. Is Mxy more or less powerful than Perpetua? Did I read correctly when it was noted that Perpetua was a 6th dimensional being?

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by Badabing
This may have been addressed earlier, but I'm too lazy to search this thread. Is Mxy more or less powerful than Perpetua? Did I read correctly when it was noted that Perpetua was a 6th dimensional being?

Supposedly she is more powerful than mxy due to the powerset, But she still hasn't performed any feat that puts her surprassing MXY( Not saying she hasn't any impressive feat)

MrMind Senior Member

The better question would be who's more powerful? Doctor Manhattan or Perpetua

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Couldn't Gladiator use 4 d to outsource and create pocket dimensions?
He would be able to defeat Green Lantern that way.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I thought as well... But that doesn't really mesh with what we were told in the first few pages of the sequence you posted.
"I, Thanos of Titan, am now all that there is within the boundaries of THIS reality!":
https://i.imgur.com/pymsfM6.jpg
"We demand your subservience and that you return the UNIVERSE to its previous state!":
https://i.imgur.com/OOevJYR.jpg

If those scenes directly follow each other then you're right. But I'm guessing that the first page is a recap, and the later happens midway through the story.

Starlin set up a merger of Thanos and his alternate self, and the Above-All-Others has since the Infinity Finale been established to govern the multiverse, so if there's going to be an overthrowal then it has to be by a multiversal entity for it to make a lick of sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
But again, even if Thanos has indeed absorbed every iota of power in the entire Marvel multiverse in this, he still shouldn't be able to defeat AAO, imo. Marvel's Supreme Being should not be so immensely finite and fallible, nor should its 'omnipotence' be wholly dependent on "a well-functioning system":
srug

I agree. But like you pointed out, with each cosmic event Starlin has to up the ante, and Thanos already overcame the Living Tribunal in Marvel: The End. So taking out Above-All-Others is the next step.

And if that's going to happen then Above-All-Others has to have a weakness or limit and there has to be something in creation, which would allow Thanos to overcome that limit, in this case it's creation in its entirety.

Originally posted by Galan007
Moreover, this kind of absurdity also sets the stage for a valid argument to be made that a character like pre-retcon Beyonder(who was MILLIONS of times more powerful than the multiverse combined) could legitimately one-shot AAO/TOAA... As could any being with Beyonder-tier power.

I don't think that's a good argument because classic Beyonder isn't really part of the continuity, and there's no reason why Old Marvel couldn't be more powerful than New Marvel.

What's interesting though is whether or not the Beyond from the Time Runs Out event is part of Above-All-Others' creation. Because if that isn't the case then that's a hint that his creation isn't absolute, which in turn hints that his power isn't absolute.

Originally posted by Galan007
Just seems odd to me, is all... But if that's what Marvel/Starlin is going with, then so be it.

We'll have to wait and see. But whether it turns out good or bad it's a story I'm interested in.

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They turned Beyonder into evolution.
The fight that will occur in Marvel in days to come will be Darwin vs. Beyonder.