Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'Mjolnir.....never flew for me as it does for you'

That's what Thor said to Jane. IOW, Mjolnir flies as he commands; unless you're now arguing it changing direction etc is all due to the kinetic energy he gives it with the throw? That's been retconned.

So 99.999999% of the time just fell a hell of a lot, lol.

Odin was showing Screwbeard how it was done. Wait till Thor sees the arsenal he was going to make him. The hammers were different to the usual ones Screwbeard had made.

As for the Loki sequence....well, I have the order in which the pages and panels were presented.

What do you have?

You're the one adding more things and making it more than what was presented, with these theories and hypotheses.

Thor gets out of the hammer based on how much he puts in. When he swings it, is he telling the hammer to move his arms? I mean really?

Screwbeard is a master weaponsmith. The Dwarves are synonymous with building the best weapons in all the realms. Even Asgardians including Odin rely on them for this. I can't believe u would argue that these hammers are all of a sudden extra special. They are not. They're not Mjolnir and they are a dime a dozen.

What I have is what looks to be the logical explanation for a scene. You are hanging on a technicality that stories don't even follow like gospel as template for storytelling. Thor had called the hammer to him. That was the payoff. All Loki did was tie a chain. This shouldn't even be argued based on an understanding of the character and his history.

Adding? Please... Instead of following established norms for a character, u are the one adding to the scene. You are actually creating a whole scenario a normal to what the character does to support your claim.

"Oh he must've told the hammer to fly away because..."

-They fly by themselves when told - when does Thor ever tell a hammer to fly off w/o throwing it?

-"Sent" must mean he told the hammer to fly - or maybe sent means he threw it(the characters calling card)

-These are extra special hammers because of Odin - he helped Screwbeard(a master blacksmith)when asked by Screwbeard to shut him up instead of constantly yapping. All hammers receive from the same power source(Odin).

-Panel is missing on the throwing - correct. So is the panel where he "tells" the hammer to fly away. I mean how often does he even do that compared to throwing it away? I'm sure it'd be a landslide comparison.

No `must` about my statement, btw. Don't misrepresent me.

I said we don't know for certain. To say it's definitely throwing is incorrect. Because it's not definite.

You said

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not.

He fastened his hammer to it, then sent it flying.

If it helps you understand, replace 'Thor' with 'Iron Man', and 'hammer' with 'rocket'.

Did Iron Man 'throw' the planet? No. Now, HOW did Thor send it? That's the question that cannot be certain. Did he throw the hammer, or did he command it to fly off?

But he didn't throw the planet itself.

U may have said "cannot be certain". But it's clear what u are saying.

"He's not" was a reply on whether he threw the hammer.

"But he didn't throw the planet itself." Implies that the hammer alone provided the force to move the prison planet.

What else could u actually mean?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mjolnir's flight has not been retconned. It's understood that Mjolnir was always semi-sentient. Thor produces the force(at least initially) when Mjolnir is thrown or spun. And ure right, it flew differently for Foster.

Thor gets out of the hammer based on how much he puts in. When he swings it, is he telling the hammer to move his arms? I mean really?

Screwbeard is a master weaponsmith. The Dwarves are synonymous with building the best weapons in all the realms. Even Asgardians including Odin rely on them for this. I can't believe u would argue that these hammers are all of a sudden extra special. They are not. They're not Mjolnir and they are a dime a dozen.

What I have is what looks to be the logical explanation for a scene. You are hanging on a technicality that stories don't even follow like gospel as template for storytelling. Thor had called the hammer to him. That was the payoff. All Loki did was tie a chain. This shouldn't even be argued based on an understanding of the character and his history.

Adding? Please... Instead of following established norms for a character, u are the one adding to the scene. You are actually creating a whole scenario a normal to what the character does to support your claim.

"Oh he must've told the hammer to fly away because..."

-They fly by themselves when told - when does Thor ever tell a hammer to fly off w/o throwing it?

-"Sent" must mean he told the hammer to fly - or maybe sent means he threw it(the characters calling card)

-These are extra special hammers because of Odin - he helped Screwbeard(a master blacksmith)when asked by Screwbeard to shut him up instead of constantly yapping. All hammers receive from the same power source(Odin).

-Panel is missing on the throwing - correct. So is the panel where he "tells" the hammer to fly away. I mean how often does he even do that compared to throwing it away? I'm sure it'd be a landslide comparison.

Because both are contrived and stupid. And its specified as a hammer thing rather than a strength feat.

In fact, he was unable to break free from the cells he was in which was later broken by Thori, Toothgnasher and Valkyrie horse.

Let me guess, Thor grew billions of times stronger and tossed the whole planet away?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You said

U may have said "cannot be certain". But it's clear what u are saying.

"He's not" was a reply on whether he threw the hammer.

"But he didn't throw the planet itself." Implies that the hammer alone provided the force to move the prison planet.

What else could u actually mean?

Lol.

Re-read what I typed. It's VERY clear what I said. He did not throw the planet.

Are you saying he physically THREW the planet now? No, of course not. You're saying that he wound his mighty hammer up, and threw THE HAMMER, which was attached to the planet, and the planet was towed behind the hammer.

The 'He's not' was to this sentence:

Is thor actually throwing a planet sized object at high speed?

May wanna check those words again, lol. Let's be clear, are you disagreeing with my 'He's not'? Because that means you are saying Thor DID throw the planet sized object.

And Thor calling hammers to him makes a mockery of this scene:

Why scream for Screwbeard to send the hammers......if he can call them on his own?

Abhi... You at making it more complex than it should be.

Did he grow billions of times stronger when he was cracking planets purely as a side effect?

He had already pounded him a handful of times before that encounter. Or..... Maybe.... It's a high end feat that characters of this power level tend to have every now and then? Maybe.....?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Re-read what I typed. It's VERY clear what I said. He did not throw the planet.

Are you saying he physically THREW the planet now? No, of course not. You're saying that he wound his mighty hammer up, and threw THE HAMMER, which was attached to the planet, and the planet was towed behind the hammer.

The 'He's not' was to this sentence:

May wanna check those words again, lol. Let's be clear, are you disagreeing with my 'He's not'? Because that means you are saying Thor DID throw the planet sized object.

And Thor calling hammers to him makes a mockery of this scene:

Why scream for Screwbeard to send the hammers......if he can call them on his own?

The Juggy scene is based on the readiness of the hammers.
Him screaming for the hammers won't mean much if they aren't ready to be used.

I really dont have a problem with this. Screwbeard is a master weaponsmith and creator of these hammers after all. Not sure where the "mockery" is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi... You at making it more complex than it should be.

Did he grow billions of times stronger when he was cracking planets purely as a side effect?

He had already pounded him a handful of times before that encounter. Or..... Maybe.... It's a high end feat that characters of this power level tend to have every now and then? Maybe.....?

And no, it's not a high end showing. It's a ****ing pathetic showing for Thor where a bunch of animals had to free him after he fails to break out of one cell from the ship.

And.........

The Rage finally shows... I mean this is really what it's all about isn't it?
U really getting this mad just because another character other than you know who has a massive feat? I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And.........

The Rage finally shows... I mean this is really what it's all about isn't it?
U really getting this mad just because another character other than you know who has a massive feat? I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.

Anyway even if Thor destroyed planets (which he didn't), it wouldn't prove he threw the planet ship here. That's just false equivalency and strawman logic.

Citing it as an agenda on my end wouldn't prove that either.

Whatever u say my friend. This holiday season, i'll be praying 🙏 for u.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And what? Are you really this desperate for feats?

Anyway even if Thor destroyed planets (which he didn't), it wouldn't prove he threw the planet ship here. That's just false equivalency and strawman logic.

Citing it as an agenda on my end wouldn't prove that either.

It clearly tells us world ears shattering...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TCQH3x64nHY/VkxLmk0zWAI/AAAAAAAAdDY/iXtUlJyfmu8/s0-Ic42/014.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The question posed by dpxx was based on him using strength to move that planet... Not about if he went and threw the planet itself. The scans were ther posted by Rage and quoted by him. You didn't actually think that what u are saying is what he was asking about did you?

The Juggy scene is based on the readiness of the hammers.
Him screaming for the hammers won't mean much if they aren't ready to be used.

I really dont have a problem with this. Screwbeard is a master weaponsmith and creator of these hammers after all. Not sure where the "mockery" is.

Dpxx's post, which I replied to, literally asks if he threw the planet, lol.

And I replied.

I mean, sure, no one can be that silly. But we have Carver, so, I'm surprised everyday.

But he can't summon the hammers. Screwbeard had to send them. THEN they flew to Thor.

Loki told Hel bringer to fly, and fly true. After attaching a chain. It then flew. We then go to Thor, who holds his hand out and it flies to him.

So far, you're just posting scans of Thor and Mjolnir as proof. Then in the same breath, say they're not the same (I agree with that, btw, before you misunderstand me).

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
Can someone actually explain this to me-

Is thor actually throwing a planet sized object at high speed? because that's one heck of a feat if so. 😕

The literal post I replied and QUOTED, lol.

He even got confused by it. So I replied. No, he did not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Dpxx's post, which I replied to, literally asks if he threw the planet, lol.

And I replied.

I mean, sure, no one can be that silly. But we have Carver, so, I'm surprised everyday.

But he can't summon the hammers. Screwbeard had to send them. THEN they flew to Thor.

Loki told Hel bringer to fly, and fly true. After attaching a chain. It then flew. We then go to Thor, who holds his hand out and it flies to him.

So far, you're just posting scans of Thor and Mjolnir as proof. Then in the same breath, say they're not the same (I agree with that, btw, before you misunderstand me).

As for Screwbeard, there was an issue with readiness of the hammers. It was the first issue after all. I got the feeling that he was actively summoning multiple hammers when the "most powerful" ever version of Juggernaut showed up. He had the same issue as he was falling down the cliff. He looked to be summoning the first hammer, but to no avail. It's why I keep tying the readiness of the hammer to Thor's request of sending them. The seemingly desperate request is explained by the hammers not appearing fast enough when summoned(readiness).

In the very next issue, a hammer flies out of nowhere as his current one is melting from Muspel blood. It didn't even look like he was actively summoning one. He then proclaims he's a new version of the thunder god. One with a "Bigger Arsenal". Now I could be wrong considering Screwbeard is the maker of these weapons and he may have knowledge of how they work, but Thor also made this a point. *shrug*
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZwNZcAJmUA0/WyFCH5qN7zI/AAAAAAACAsw/JEA-B-KPnNAvOx8y1B4rwfAjGlO5fU4ewCLcBGAs/s1600/083_0011.jpg

Again that scene with Loki, I believe that it was being summoned by Thor. The payoff was in the next few panels.

That is not unlike when Mjolnir flew to Thor while in Limbo as Surfer and Kid Loki were messing around with it. Sequentially, it flew first before Thor seemed to even actively summon it as in this scene in question. It doesn't mean Surfur and Kid Loki somehow sent it or it flew by itself to reach Thor in Limbo. Like that olde scene in Mighty Thor v1, Thor had summoned Mjolnir. The payoff was in the next following panels. It's an old storytelling trick. Something a bit unexplainable happens, but is eventually explained(payoff) in the following scenes. Scene sequences are not always robotic and scenes are always explained by the previous scenes.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Whatever u say my friend. This holiday season, i'll be praying 🙏 for u.

Originally posted by carver9
It clearly tells us world ears shattering...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TCQH3x64nHY/VkxLmk0zWAI/AAAAAAAAdDY/iXtUlJyfmu8/s0-Ic42/014.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. Pretty sure he understood that the hammer pulled the prison planet when he asked if Thor was "throwing" a planet sized prison and not that if Thor up and threw the planet itself. He was basically asking if Thor threw the hammer which in turn pulled the prison planet. He quoted the scans. If anything he was asking for opinion on whether he threw the hammer away.

What level or class of ft do you think this is for Thor?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
Ya that's what I was asking. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

What level or class of ft do you think this is for Thor?

We don't know if he threw the hammer and it pulled the planet, or he commanded it to fly off.

Impossuvle to say.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
Ya that's what I was asking. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

What level or class of ft do you think this is for Thor?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We don't know if he threw the hammer and it pulled the planet, or he commanded it to fly off.

Impossuvle to say.