This commercial was terrible and heavy handed.
It's also getting annoying when I have to either agree with whatever the popular narrative is, or "I'm part of the problem". Word for word what a girl I know told me on Instagram....
What problem? Having different opinions? For a very long time, I considered far left SJW crap to be harmless, sometimes idiotic, marketing bullshit.
Then the APA this month classified masculinity as toxic. A teenage boy growing up in Western society today, who doesn't exhume feminine qualities is in serious trouble.
Just the other day, I had to tell my half-baby brother's homeroom teacher that he doesn't need to see a specialist because he's "aggressive" aka gets bored when he doesn't get to go outside to play, and he pushes back a kid who pushes him. It sounded like he should be diagnosed with ADHD and put into a dress. Like wtf? Stop treating boys like girls.
It use to be on the fringes of my existence, and stuff that I read online from neckbeards. Now it feels like a consistent problem I have to deal with. I'm seeing this undergraduate kids at University, and holy f*ck, some of these dudes have been completely brainwashed and are beta as f*ck. Some dudes are terrified of females. Or offending anyone, or having a different opinion. They just banned guys from working out in sleeveless shirts/tank-tops at my University gym because it made people uncomfortable.
I also keep hearing the phrase toxic masculinity, but education is dominated by females, and a record number of boys are being raised by single mothers. Boys have far less access to positive role models now than they did before. Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. Positive masculine role models, or the lack thereof, are. We went from women being treated to second class citizens, to men being treated as second class citizens. Mostly, I worry about the boys. It flabbergasted me how much education has changed.
DDM, I'm asking you because you're a reservoir of knowledge. How are the testosterone levels of males at the moment? As I mentioned, I'm noticing these new kids entering University, and each subsequent generation looks more androgynous. It's eerie. Half these dudes would be on TRT 20 years ago by the looks of it, but Testosterone health levels apparently work on a sliding scale compared to population averages?
Found this for testosterone levels
Originally posted by Silent MasterProbably about right plasma levels will vary wildly around that average for any age. At the moment I'm on 400 testoviron, 600 promotion and 400 stanazol a week to cut. So yeah my t is higher than puberty with much higher androgenic affects.
Found this for testosterone levels
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBoys have far less access to positive role models now than they did before. Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. Positive masculine role models, or the lack thereof, are. We went from women being treated to second class citizens, to men being treated as second class citizens. Mostly, I worry about the boys. It flabbergasted me how much education has changed.
Tbh from what ur saying it sounds like u actually agree with the comercial but have a problem with the more extreme feminists stances of the day (understandably) and are tying them togeather and directing ur frustrations about said stances toward the comercial.
Imho the point of th ad was basically to highlight that there are a bunch of toxic/negative (whichever adjective u want to use) male role models out there. But they also highlighted the fact that there are also some good/positive ones. But the problem is, like with most things, the bad out weigh the good, but if we work at it we can try to make it so hopefully in future generations the good will outweigh the bad.
Which seems to be pretty much what ur saying in the paragraph i posted, with there being a lack of positive male role models, which leads to an over abundance of negative or "toxic" male role models.
With that being said, ive learned over the years that 2 people can look at the exact same thing and both can see something completly different, Or watch the same ad and get a different message out of it. But the message i got from the commercial (which is a positive one) seem to align with ur beliefs, but u feel the comercial was more bad than good which is strange to me, because ur opening sentance of the paragraph i quoted pretty much sums up the comercial for me in one sentance which is-
"Boys have far less access to positive role models now than they did before."
Originally posted by Raptor22
With that being said, ive learned over the years that 2 people can look at the exact same thing and both can see something completly different, Or watch the same ad and get a different message out of it. But the message i got from the commercial (which is a positive one) seem to align with ur beliefs, but u feel the comercial was more bad than good which is strange to me, because ur opening sentance of the paragraph i quoted pretty much sums up the comercial for me in one sentance which is-"Boys have far less access to positive role models now than they did before."
I find it HIGHLY improbable that boys(people in general) today have less access to positive role models. Just looking at the culture today from decades ago there have been HUGE changes in acceptable behaviors. You don't have to believe me just look back at movies from the '80s-'90s.
Glengarry Glen Ross, Swimming with Sharks, Wall Street etc.
Look back at athletes from those time periods vs today as well, HUGE differences. Never in our history have people had more access to positive role models then today.
Originally posted by Sammin
You're naive Myth to think this cringe commercial will change even a single persons behaviour "for the better".
Whether it'll change a persons world view depends solely on the person.
Originally posted by snowdragon
I find it HIGHLY improbable that boys(people in general) today have less access to positive role models. Just looking at the culture today from decades ago there have been HUGE changes in acceptable behaviors. You don't have to believe me just look back at movies from the '80s-'90s.Glengarry Glen Ross, Swimming with Sharks, Wall Street etc.
Look back at athletes from those time periods vs today as well, HUGE differences. Never in our history have people had more access to positive role models then today.
I do think there's still some work to be done, but, y'know, baby steps.
Originally posted by snowdragonid agree that they have more access to more positive role models thru the media now, but they also have more access to more negative ones, and without an actual positive one in real life schooling a kid on which to listen to, all to often they follow the wrong one.
I find it HIGHLY improbable that boys(people in general) today have less access to positive role models. Just looking at the culture today from decades ago there have been HUGE changes in acceptable behaviors. You don't have to believe me just look back at movies from the '80s-'90s.Glengarry Glen Ross, Swimming with Sharks, Wall Street etc.
Look back at athletes from those time periods vs today as well, HUGE differences. Never in our history have people had more access to positive role models then today.
Tbh i dont think the numbers really matter one way or another. Wheather there are more or less now as opposed to before. Like if back in the day 40% of kids had access to positive male role models but today 60% do we shouldnt be trying to get a positive male influence to the remaining?
I dont think its really disputable that there are a butt load of kids (girls and boys, now and then) without real, tangible positive male role models in their lives (movie characters and atheltes they see on tv not withstanding).
I simply cant for the life of me wrap my mind around people having a problem with a company trying to improve that in more kids lives. Its actually mind boggling.
Originally posted by MythLord
Did I say it'll change a persons behavior? Nah.
I just said it's a nice, wholesome message to stop bullying and discrimination.Whether it'll change a persons world view depends solely on the person.
Well if it has no practical and measurable implications - perhaps achieving the opposite because of it's overall bad reception, what's the point?
Then you have to ask why an unethical brand is trying to send a wholesome message to the world when they employ child workers?
Is it becuase they care, or are they just trying to score brownie points with SJW esq millenials?
Originally posted by Sammin
Well if it has no practical and measurable implications - perhaps achieving the opposite because of it's overall bad reception, what's the point?Then you have to ask why an unethical brand is trying to send a wholesome message to the world when they employ child workers?
Is it becuase they care, or are they just trying to score brownie points with SJW esq millenials?
This marketing guy who worked for their parent company for 20 years seems to think promoting positive social change is part of his job, aside from selling a single razor.
Watch Company Launches Response To Gillette ‘Toxic Masculinity’ Ad; It Goes Viral
^That's how you do a commercial. You don't attack the folk you're trying to sell shit too. Just like a place selling razors for women wouldn't come out with a "don't be a gold digging whore it's bad" commercial.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This commercial was terrible and heavy handed.It's also getting annoying when I have to either agree with whatever the popular narrative is, or "I'm part of the problem". Word for word what a girl I know told me on Instagram....
What problem? Having different opinions? For a very long time, I considered far left SJW crap to be harmless, sometimes idiotic, marketing bullshit.
Then the APA this month classified masculinity as toxic. A teenage boy growing up in Western society today, who doesn't exhume feminine qualities is in serious trouble.
Just the other day, I had to tell my half-baby brother's homeroom teacher that he doesn't need to see a specialist because he's "aggressive" aka gets bored when he doesn't get to go outside to play, and he pushes back a kid who pushes him. It sounded like he should be diagnosed with ADHD and put into a dress. Like wtf? Stop treating boys like girls.
It use to be on the fringes of my existence, and stuff that I read online from neckbeards. Now it feels like a consistent problem I have to deal with. I'm seeing this undergraduate kids at University, and holy f*ck, some of these dudes have been completely brainwashed and are beta as f*ck. Some dudes are terrified of females. Or offending anyone, or having a different opinion. They just banned guys from working out in sleeveless shirts/tank-tops at my University gym because it made people uncomfortable.
I also keep hearing the phrase toxic masculinity, but education is dominated by females, and a record number of boys are being raised by single mothers. Boys have far less access to positive role models now than they did before. Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. Positive masculine role models, or the lack thereof, are. We went from women being treated to second class citizens, to men being treated as second class citizens. Mostly, I worry about the boys. It flabbergasted me how much education has changed.
DDM, I'm asking you because you're a reservoir of knowledge. How are the testosterone levels of males at the moment? As I mentioned, I'm noticing these new kids entering University, and each subsequent generation looks more androgynous. It's eerie. Half these dudes would be on TRT 20 years ago by the looks of it, but Testosterone health levels apparently work on a sliding scale compared to population averages?
I... Actually like the point you make about positive role models. France doesn't have the same issues as the US on gender roles and masculinity is less frowned upon in general so I actually have a hard time understanding some of the aggressiveness that some people resent against these younger generation kids. I do think it's important to refuse to shut up.
Women can obviously be empowered without males becoming fragile autumn leaves.
Originally posted by Bentley
I... Actually like the point you make about positive role models. France doesn't have the same issues as the US on gender roles and masculinity is less frowned upon in general so I actually have a hard time understanding some of the aggressiveness that some people resent against these younger generation kids. I do think it's important to refuse to shut up.Women can obviously be empowered without males becoming fragile autumn leaves.
I've played Rugby with and against some very masculine French men. Had a great fight with a French farmer who played prop.