Originally posted by Galan007
Is there a reason to assume that Thanos couldn't shield his universe(or at the very least, himself) from Zen-Oh's erasure?Because even if Zen-Oh managed to erase Thanos' universe, the empty void that remains is still his to command, and he still has his complete power there.
The IG still retains its full power even if its native universe is reduced to an empty void.
Example- the universe that Doom's IG came from had been completely erased, yet when Doom teleported to said void he was capable of immediately whipping up a new universe from scratch:
...which tells us that it still retains its full power in that space, whether a physical universe is present or not.
Originally posted by Galan007
The IG still retains its full power even if its native universe is reduced to an empty void.Example- the universe that Doom's IG came from had been completely erased, yet when Doom teleported to said void he was capable of immediately whipping up a new universe from scratch:
...which tells us that it still retains its full power in that space, whether a physical universe is present or not.
Zeno erases it completely and not even the void is left.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not true.When Zen-Oh erased the entire U10 timeline in order to kill Zamasu, the space/void where the universe used to be still existed. That's how Goku was able to travel back to that point and retrieve the second Zen-Oh, who was just floating around in said void.
I mean, do we have reason to suspect that Zen-Oh's erasure ability has more than one 'setting'? Because to me it seems like his erasure simply is what it is: basically the equivalent of nullification in Marvel.
With that in mind, after Zen-Oh erased the future U10 timeline, the voidspace itself was still very much intact afterward(as mentioned, that's why there was still a 'place' for Goku to travel back to, and a 'place' for Zen-Oh to be floating in.)
So again, even IF we assume that Zen-Oh starts off in a different universe from Thanos here, and even IF we assume that he manages to erase the physical universe Thanos is in, so long as Thanos shields himself from said nullification, his IG would still retain its full potency/Godhood... Even if his universe is reduced to an empty void.
^No, Zeno can erase the Universe or everything in it. Take a book, either he erases all the drawings inside and only the balank page remains (and the second Zeno) or he burns the page. If he burns the page there is nothing left that the IG can controll. While being a part of the page the IG could be above him, outside of it he is supreme. As for your assumptions, that's what I said in the first place.
"So if the BG is a single Universe Thanos wins. If it's a Multiverse I see Zeno as the judge, erasing it from the outside."
Zen-Oh utterly erases/nullifies the physical universe, yes. However, the voidspace that said universe(s) used to occupy still remains afterward. Again, the 'place' that Goku traveled back to when he retrieved the second Zen-Oh was the void that remained from U10's erasure(*see the oversized images posted above*.) If Zen-Oh were capable of erasing even the void itself, then Goku wouldn't have had a location to travel back to in the first place.
So once more: as long as the void of its native universe is still present, the IG retains its full power... And there is NO evidence that Zen-Oh can erase a universe so completely that not even a void remains(quite the opposite actually.)
Originally posted by Galan007
If Zen-Oh were capable of erasing even the void itself, then Goku wouldn't have had a location to travel back to in the first place.
If someone has the power to casually destroy everything in a Universe or multiple Universes he surely isn't incapable of erasing the void too. Maybe his twin was the reason the void remained or he just targeted the matter. Any assumption, even yours, can be the reason. Acting like someone can't do something less impressive just because he didn't do it for unknown reasons is imo unreasonable. Or is there an actual statement that says "Erasing the Void is even beyond Zenos power!!!11"?.
Anyway, this is getting boring, you have your opinion set. Agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Bentley
Zeno is so stupid that Thanos should be able to trick him as long as he manages to at least survive.I mean we saw him floatting in an empty void even when there are clearly other universes he could've traveled to.
Every char in DB is an idiot. Fictional characters are seldom more intelligent than their creators.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeFor the purposes of these discussions, all we can go by is what the characters in question have actually done on-panel/screen. Trying to substantiate our arguments exclusively with personal conjecture and no-limits fallacies seems entirely illogical.
That's areally illogical argument.If someone has the power to casually destroy everything in a Universe or multiple Universes he surely isn't incapable of erasing the void too. Maybe his twin was the reason the void remained or he just targeted the matter. Any assumption, even yours, can be the reason. Acting like someone can't do something less impressive just because he didn't do it for unknown reasons is imo unreasonable. Or is there an actual statement that says "Erasing the Void is even beyond Zenos power!!!11"?.
Anyway, this is getting boring, you have your opinion set. Agree to disagree.
...And based on Zen-Oh's current erasue showings, the IG wins regardless of the circumstances. Imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
For the purposes of these discussions, all we can go by is what the characters in question have actually done on-panel/screen. Trying to substantiate our arguments exclusively with personal conjecture and no-limits fallacies seems entirely illogical....And based on Zen-Oh's current erasue showings, the IG wins regardless of the circumstances. Imo.
But yeah, it boils down to personal opinions.
