Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Microtransactions and pay to win are the single greatest thing ever to happen in gaming history.
Microtransactions are not totally bad. They are bad when studios abuse them (Which is most of the time) or make the game unplayable because most of the content to play the game is behind a pay wall.
When a studio uses them right, they are not bad and help the development team keep putting out new content like new maps, heroes, game modes, etc.
When its stuff like cosmetics, voice lines, emotes and other non pay to win shit , then it isnt a problem. Things that you are not forced to get to enjoy most of the game experience.
Originally posted by Arachnid1How is pay to win good for gaming though?
Welp, pack it up boys. I don't think any answers ITT can top this.
It literally means you pay to get an edge over other players in a multiplayer setting. Lol.
In most games if you did that without paying or in a game that didn't have the ability to "pay-to-win" it'd be called "cheating".
Originally posted by SmasandianIt is cheating. You're paying to receive a gear-based edge over opponents.
I never had a problem if the pay to win only gave you unlocks. I would never use them and I rather have them taken out of the profit structure but I don't think its cheating if you pay to give all the weapons/unlocks.
You naturally do more damage, move faster, quicker, etc. If thats not cheating, I dunno what is.
Sure... You could grind for 300 hours in multiplayer alone to get most of the unlocks.
...Or you could pay an extra $20 to get the unlocks immediately making you an unstoppable killing machine. It's just wrong, lol.
That logic is flawed.
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Even worse, the inclusion of microtransactions almost always means that the grind is artificially enhanced to better entice people into paying. It’s an absolutely despicable practice. And yes, I have problems with cosmetic only microtransactions as well. The only place I find microtransactions acceptable are in FTP games like LoL.
Because they are horrendously overpriced. To buy all the cosmetics in many of these games would often require one to pay well over a thousand dollars. It’s asinine. People defend cosmetics by pointing out that they don’t effect the gameplay. And sure, they don’t. However, the visuals are an inherent and important part of game design and the player experience and locking these behind overpriced paywalls is just shitty.
Originally posted by ares834
Because they are horrendously overpriced. To buy all the cosmetics in many of these games would often require one to pay well over a thousand dollars. It’s asinine. People defend cosmetics by pointing out that they don’t effect the gameplay. And sure, they don’t. However, the visuals are an inherent and important part of game design and the player experience and locking these behind overpriced paywalls is just shitty.
You're not supposed to buy all of the cosmetics, though; just the ones you like. The point is not to collect them all; it's to make you visually different from other players.
Charging an insane account for cosmetics is ****ing dumb , i agree.
In my previous post i meant games that don't do that.
For example : Overwatch. They sell you loot boxes in order for you to be able to get skins , voice lines, emotes, etc. You don't have to buy loot boxes to unlock these things because you can earn then when you level up. But it will be a slower process to unlock things that way.
So some people buy loot boxes to get things quicker. That helps the devs put it maps, new heroes, etc.
Originally posted by JmanghanI don't agree with it at all, and I'm not defending it. Personally, I think all that is a blight on gaming and things will never really recover from its conception, which I think is the more popular opinion.
How is pay to win good for gaming though?It literally means you pay to get an edge over other players in a multiplayer setting. Lol.
In most games if you did that without paying or in a game that didn't have the ability to "pay-to-win" it'd be called "cheating".
I'm just saying, no opinion in this thread is more unpopular than that.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It is cheating. You're paying to receive a gear-based edge over opponents.You naturally do more damage, move faster, quicker, etc. If thats not cheating, I dunno what is.
Sure... You could grind for 300 hours in multiplayer alone to get most of the unlocks.
...Or you could pay an extra $20 to get the unlocks immediately making you an unstoppable killing machine. It's just wrong, lol.
That logic is flawed.
Is it wrong, yes. I don't think they should have these type of microtransactions.
But its not cheating. You are not getting an advantage on people. Its not an aimbot or others popular cheats.
Originally posted by SmasandianIts not an aimbot, sure, but even the slightest damage boost that you've paid for gives you an advantage, especially if we're taking 2 players at the same skill level.
Is it wrong, yes. I don't think they should have these type of microtransactions.But its not cheating. You are not getting an advantage on people. Its not an aimbot or others popular cheats.
Hell even if you have an immensely skilled player, lets say he's facing an average player. If the immensely skilled player has wildly inferior gear in that situation, all it'll take will be 2 shots.
I'll compare it like this: Let's take it like this, there's a mod for jedi academy called "Movie Battles II", it's a multiplayer mod for the game thats a complete conversion and turns it into something akin to class-based multiplayer games.
They add microtransactions to said mod, you get an instant increase in power, speed, everything, and it destroys the play experience, which means angry players, which means yelling on forums and company getting flak from all over the place. You may as well HAVE an aimbot with the force you're putting out.
Why do you think it was altered so seriously in so many games? It's a form of cheating that ruins the game for everyone else who is playing it normally.
Now we don't KNOW if people got them normally, but still. You shouldn't be able to get an op weapon by paying for it, it ruins the game.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Its not an aimbot, sure, but even the slightest damage boost that you've paid for gives you an advantage, especially if we're taking 2 players at the same skill level.Hell even if you have an immensely skilled player, lets say he's facing an average player. If the immensely skilled player has wildly inferior gear in that situation, all it'll take will be 2 shots.
I'll compare it like this: Let's take it like this, there's a mod for jedi academy called "Movie Battles II", it's a multiplayer mod for the game thats a complete conversion and turns it into something akin to class-based multiplayer games.
They add microtransactions to said mod, you get an instant increase in power, speed, everything, and it destroys the play experience, which means angry players, which means yelling on forums and company getting flak from all over the place. You may as well HAVE an aimbot with the force you're putting out.
Why do you think it was altered so seriously in so many games? It's a form of cheating that ruins the game for everyone else who is playing it normally.
Now we don't KNOW if people got them normally, but still. You shouldn't be able to get an op weapon by paying for it, it ruins the game.
Your JEDI example is different than getting paying for some unlocks. They are paying to be better than everbody else. That's not cool.
Your complaints sound more like you are annoyed you spend hours getting a weapon while others can get it by paying some money. That's a valid argument.
But its not cheating. If somebody can pay to get an OP weapon, it should be the question of microtranscations but why the devs allowed a gun to be OP'd in the first place.