https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mar-vell-vs-mongul-1516744/
Entire fight down the page, minus the final few panels.
Mongul is throttling him at the end.
Originally posted by cdtmmongul certainly could stalement superman a while,but is far less then doomsday did to superman,he literally killing superman.and in green lantern 54,this fight superman and monul neither been pinpoint who is had advantage in this battle.and mongul has been beaten by a drained superman in previous plot
He was also manhandling Superman so badly, Kyle Rayner had to bail him out.
Originally posted by panthergod
One other thing people forget is that DoS Doomsday is portrayed as superior to Pre Crisis level Pocket Universe Kryptonians.
Cant be true. He failed to kill Booster Gold (who didnt have his shields up) or Guy (who didnt have his shields up) after a long beating. I doubt what you're saying is true, OOOOORRR, those are some weak kryptonians.
Originally posted by carver9
Cant be true. He failed to kill Booster Gold (who didnt have his shields up) or Guy (who didnt have his shields up) after a long beating. I doubt what you're saying is true, OOOOORRR, those are some weak kryptonians.
Booster had his Brainiac 5 shields and Sinestro's ring automatically saved Guy.
Originally posted by carver9Asgardians were koed by a 20ft fall. Thor was koed by falling off the back of Mangog. What does that tell you? What’s the lesson?
Cant be true. He failed to kill Booster Gold (who didnt have his shields up) or Guy (who didnt have his shields up) after a long beating. I doubt what you're saying is true, OOOOORRR, those are some weak kryptonians.
Mongul matched and defeated a Superman far superior to DoS era (who was a high end mid tier with the exception of huge outliers). DoS Doomsday best striking feat is shaking the earth, which is a mountain busting feat since a nuke can shake the entire earth as well.
The Superman that Mongul fought and overpowered was able to destroy half the moon with a single punch, that's enough power to leave a gaping USA sized hole in planet Earth.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Mongul matched and defeated a Superman far superior to DoS era (who was a high end mid tier with the exception of huge outliers). DoS Doomsday best striking feat is shaking the earth, which is a mountain busting feat since a nuke can shake the entire earth as well.The Superman that Mongul fought and overpowered was able to destroy half the moon with a single punch, that's enough power to leave a gaping USA sized hole in planet Earth.
Stop pretending you have anything valid to say here if you are arguing that Byrne Superman is a mid tier. Please prove that sh!tclaim. And yes, quantifying area of effect/space cheese is laughable as a method of comparison in comparison to relative portrayals.
you aren't apparently capable enough to accurately interpret storytelling conventions of superhero comics., and that is extremely sad.
Originally posted by carver9
@H1If this happened all in the same story then those characters were weak. Example, if Thor failed to lift 10 tons and in the same comic overpowered and beat Mangog to death with his fist, Mangog would be weak as crap to me.
So in that story, asgardians were weak as humans and Thor was even weaker?
And what about contradictory showings?
What if DD has a legit class 100 feat in DOS, do you still gauge him off his lows?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Doomsday get stronger as the story progressed?
It depends. How much stronger did he get from being able to pound on someone (without holding back) that had human level durability without killing him? Did he become Hulk level within that short span? The gap from being at this level to jumping in the high Herald range of strength is HUGE. Then, let's not forget what else happened in that story as well. Maxima and Superman are considered high tier beings and a small explosion took both of them out. You have high end heralds these days walking through nuclear blasts. Example, I would put Stardust and Bill fight>>>>>>>>>>>>everything that happened in that story line with DOS Doomsday. The portrayal of them was pretty bad.
Remember, Jane couldnt stop a meteor which iyo made her weak to you in the Avengers book.
Originally posted by carver9
It depends. How much stronger did he get from being able to pound on someone (without holding back) that had human level durability without killing him? Did he become Hulk level within that short span? The gap from being at this level to jumping in the high Herald range of strength is HUGE. Then, let's not forget what else happened in that story as well. Maxima and Superman are considered high tier beings and a small explosion took both of them out. You have high end heralds these days walking through nuclear blasts. Example, I would put Stardust and Bill fight>>>>>>>>>>>>everything that happened in that story line with DOS Doomsday. The portrayal of them was pretty bad.Remember, Jane couldnt stop a meteor which iyo made her weak to you in the Avengers book.
Hulk got the living shit kicked out of him by Captain America. BRB's superior Thor gets wrecked by masonry and bullets. Surfer got wrecked by coffee and Mexicans with hammers.
what in the hell are you talking about? You can't possibly this genuinely dense, can you?
Stardust and BRb would get mauled by DoS Doomsday, who outperformed PRe-Crisis level Kryptonians, and Starbreaker -- a Galactus level being-- Nova level attacks.
You do NOT want to get into a space cheese comparison here. Stop being slow. Yes, human lkevel opponents that writers dont want to see evapor ated on panel surive attacks from Herald level beings. Like Batman. please argue that Blue Beetle and Batman are top tier in durability. Please, make me laugh. Entertain me.
Originally posted by panthergod
Stop pretending you have anything valid to say here if you are arguing that Byrne Superman is a mid tier. Please prove that sh!tclaim. And yes, quantifying area of effect/space cheese is laughable as a method of comparison in comparison to relative portrayals.
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.
Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons"😉.
Originally posted by XLR87T3i think it's should be superman in justice league feat,he in weaken state break through from planet core,and seal planet 1/3(more or less)and been narration state he could flatten asteroids
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons"😉.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons"😉.
I thought he was amped during this scene?
