Originally posted by SquallX
We choose everything else for our kids, why not religion?I am not saying is the right course, but it’s better to teach your children right/wrong, good/evil then to let them be indoctrinated by others.
That isn't true though. They're both indoctrination, and the parents could have ****ed up views.
You know what happens if you take a loose parenting approach under some Russeauian nonsense that imposing restrictions or moral standards on children "prevents their inner beauty from flowering out"? The child is undisciplined. Socialization has to be forced on people at a young age to an extent. It's an ugly thing to say, but it's a basic truth of the world we live in.
Also, as far as family vs state, I'm much more likely to believe that a child's parents, with a familial bond and presumably a very personal and deep sentiment of love, will have much more motivation to act in what way they believe is best for the child, as opposed to the state which sees the child as just another unit in society.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Doing 3 dumb things doesn't mean we should throw in a 4th dumb thing. The proper response is to correct the 3 dumb things. If there are things parents shouldn't choose for their kids, then we should stop choosing those things. Taking every opportunity we have to foster critical thinking in the next generation is a good thing broski. dadudemon has the right idea. Education is key.That isn't true though. They're both indoctrination, and the parents could have ****ed up views.
Religion doesn't matter. It's the community that's important.
A frienemy went off about how everyone thinks the Amish are so benign, yet they socially pressure their kids to choose between living outside, at the expense of their social ties, or coming home.
I wanted to ask him "So how many Conservative cousins did you unfriend today?"
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You know what happens if you take a loose parenting approach under some Russeauian nonsense that imposing restrictions or moral standards on children "prevents their inner beauty from flowering out"? The child is undisciplined. Socialization has to be forced on people at a young age to an extent. It's an ugly thing to say, but it's a basic truth of the world we live in.Also, as far as family vs state, I'm much more likely to believe that a child's parents, with a familial bond and presumably a very personal and deep sentiment of love, will have much more motivation to act in what way they believe is best for the child, as opposed to the state which sees the child as just another unit in society.
Not necessarily true. Even ignoring the many awful parents out there, the state does have a vested interest in productive, well-behaved citizens. Regardless, the interaction between the family and state is so utterly intertwined, we'd be lying if we pretended the family's values aren't largely a result of the society they live in.
The state already socializes your child because it socialized you.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You can discipline your kids without forcing them into a given religion. Educating the child and letting them decide is a far cry from the bleak world of wild moral indescretion you've hinted at, intentionally or not.Nor necessarily true. Even ignoring the many awful parents out there, the state does have a vested interest in productive, well-behaved citizens. Regardless, the interaction between the family and state is so utterly intertwined, we'd be lying if we pretended the family's value aren't mostly a result of the society they live in.
The state already socializes your child because it also socialized you.
Honestly dude, I disagree.
Kids are like puppies. The fact is, they NEED an authoritative authority.
They can change their religion, or make other life altering decisions, when they're old enough to understand what that means.
Originally posted by cdtm
Religion doesn't matter. It's the community that's important.
Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly dude, I disagree.Kids are like puppies. The fact is, they NEED an authoritative authority.
They can change their religion, or make other life altering decisions, when they're old enough to understand what that means.
It's more about creating a social environment that encourages learning, so they arrive at their own spiritual conclusions. Again, you can discipline and impart moral values without forcing them into a religion. This isn't the same as some kind of totally hands off, do whatever you want parenting.
You're teaching chi manipulation and letting them decide whether to fight like Danny Rand or Shang Chi. biscuits
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Also, as far as family vs state, I'm much more likely to believe that a child's parents, with a familial bond and presumably a very personal and deep sentiment of love, will have much more motivation to act in what way they believe is best for the child, as opposed to the state which sees the child as just another unit in society.
Like the 10-month-old boy who suffered and died because his parents denied him medical treatment for religious reasons? Or the 7-year-old boy who was tortured and killed by his parents for not learning Bible verses? Or the 10-year-old boy who was tortured and killed by his religious parents to make him straight? Their religion-distorted sense of what is best for their children is completely immoral.
Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly dude, I disagree.Kids are like puppies. The fact is, they NEED an authoritative authority.
They can change their religion, or make other life altering decisions, when they're old enough to understand what that means.
No, children should only adopt a religion when they're old enough to understand what it means.
Originally posted by cdtm
Religion doesn't matter. It's the community that's important.
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The only reason parents tell their children that morally inferior stories might be true is because they won't more people to reasssure them their escapist fantasies are real.
There is no reason whatesoever to introduce a child to religion as opposed to:
-> Dreamwork films
-> the mcu
-> star wars
-> superman comics
-> petscop
-> interface
-> EOE
-> FMA 2003
-> Ceremony
-> Dr Suess
-> vintage pixar
-> studio ghibli
-> b:tas
-> laika films
-> eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
The only reason you would choose the bible over these is because you want the escapist shit mentioned in the bible to be true. The bible supports escapism, and the blind following of authority. Any "Positive" present in the bible can be dfound anywhere else ina more concise compelling manner.
Children exposed to one archaic fantasy that claims it's the authrotiative source of morality, are gonna be worse off then children exposed to a wide set of stories with different perspectives on the world.
It's beyond insane that people would actually dispute this.
We can't really regulate what parents are gonna tell their kids. Parents should introduce kids to a wide variety of stories, viewpoints and opinions at a certain age and then the child eventually picks their own route. The problem here is that many parents won't follow along with that train of thought and many would try to, directly or indirectly, influence their kids.
I do think threatening a 3-7 year olds with Hell is a form of child abuse, tho.