How dangerous is Jordan Peterson?

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How dangerous is Jordan Peterson?

Jordan Peterson, also known as the stupid persons smart person.

An interesting article on who he and his followers are and why his funny conspiracy theories are retarded.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

I once saw him kill three men in a bar with a pencil.

WITH A F**KIN'...

PENCIL.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I once saw him kill three men in a bar with a pencil.

WITH A F**KIN'...

PENCIL.

😆

From a skim, few details on exactly "how" he distorts. It mainly seems to assert that he's a well meaning true believer that's feeding others who want to do a lot of harm.

The article also clearly says where it's loyalties lie, by legitimizing expertise in "gender identity, post modernism, and canadian law". A layman is as likely to argue for these things, as against them. And restricting such topics to "experts only" effectively creates an intellectual monopoly that resists division (Would an expert undermine one's own position by arguing against themselves? Would, say, a Christian expert argue against Christianity? Maybe, if they became disillusioned after intensive study, but not likely..)

Originally posted by cdtm
From a skim, few details on exactly "how" he distorts. It mainly seems to assert that he's a well meaning true believer that's feeding others who want to do a lot of harm.

The article also clearly says where it's loyalties lie, by legitimizing expertise in "gender identity, post modernism, and canadian law". A layman is as likely to argue for these things, as against them. And restricting such topics to "experts only" effectively creates an intellectual monopoly that resists division (Would an expert undermine one's own position by arguing against themselves? Would, say, a Christian expert argue against Christianity? Maybe, if they became disillusioned after intensive study, but not likely..)

it also mocks his outdated use of discredited pseudo Science and failure to understand Canadian law.

Jim Jefferies owns him so badly on gender and race its painful to watch and Jefferies is the comedian most famous for the highest use of the c word.

He's no more dangerous than morons too stupid to properly use terms like fascist, nazi, and alt right.

I think the Jim Jefferies ownage is particularly telling the true tale.

Not that dangerous, tbh.

Originally posted by MythLord
Not that dangerous, tbh.

Also while it is said a lot that he attracts a lot of alt right fans...if you believe what JP says, he's gotten many emails from people who said they moved away from the extreme right due to listening to him.

Yeah it's always weird to me that the people who universally reject identity politics on principle repeatedly over and over again as kinda one of their main points get labeled alt-right when the anti-identity politics stance is literally antithetical to what the alt-right believes.

Read the article. It doesn’t actually say much of anything. There are multiple testimonies of JP’s having a very positive influence on various people. Whether you agree with his political stances, his message of taking responsibility really resonates with young men. There seems to be something lacking from public institutions for young men.

The rates of men dropping out of school, being addicted to games and pornography, and failing to attend University is skyrocketing. There is a massive problem, so I don’t understand how JP can be labelled dangerous when the net positive he does seems to far outweigh any damage that has yet to be presented.

I’ve been to two of his lectures. It’s only even political when someone asks a question about his political views. He literally talks about self-important and self worth and taking responsibility and stop being such a whiny lazy shit. This is a real stickler to people who thrive on victimization and identity politics.

But he’s buttressing his narrative with pseudo-facts, many of them created for the explicit purpose of promoting white nationalism, especially the whole notion of ‘cultural Marxism’. The arc of radicalisation often passes through these more ‘moderate’ ideologues.”

“The difference is that this individual has a title and profession that lend a certain illusory credibility,” says Cara Tierney, an artist and part-time professor who protested against Peterson’s appearance at Ottawa’s National Gallery last year. “It’s very theatrical and shrewdly exploits platforms that thrive on spectacle, controversy, fear and prejudice. The threat is not so much what [Peterson’s] beliefs are, but how they detract from more critical, informed and, frankly, interesting conversations.”

Consider the media firestorm last November over Lindsay Shepherd, a teaching assistant at Ontario’s Wilfrid Laurier University, who was reprimanded for showing students a clip of Peterson debating gender pronouns. Her supervising professor compared it to “neutrally playing a speech by Hitler”, before backing down and apologising publicly. The widely reported controversy sent 12 Rules for Life racing back up the Amazon charts, leading Peterson to tweet: “Apparently being compared to Hitler now constitutes publicity.”

Yet Peterson’s commitment to unfettered free speech is questionable. Once you believe in a powerful and malign conspiracy, you start to justify extreme measures. Last July, he announced plans to launch a website that would help students and parents identify and avoid “corrupt” courses with “postmodern content”. Within five years, he hoped, this would starve “postmodern neo-Marxist cult classes” into oblivion. Peterson shelved the plan after a backlash, acknowledging that it “might add excessively to current polarisation”. Who could have predicted that blacklisting fellow professors might exacerbate polarisation? Apparently not “the most influential public intellectual in the western world”.

The key to Peterson’s appeal is also his greatest weakness. He wants to be the man who knows everything and can explain everything, without qualification or error. On Channel 4 News, he posed as an impregnable rock of hard evidence and common sense. But his arguments are riddled with conspiracy theories and crude distortions of subjects, including postmodernism, gender identity and Canadian law, that lie outside his field of expertise. Therefore, there is no need to caricature his ideas in order to challenge them. Even so, his critics will have their work cut out: Peterson’s wave is unlikely to come crashing down any time soon.

It says his a **** really.

How dangerous is anything from Canada, really? Trudeau's fake eyebrows are the most dangerous thing from Canada.

Sorry, not trying to derail. It's the weekend and I leave politics for the week. Also, love the sig Whirly.

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by Badabing
How dangerous is anything from Canada, really? Trudeau's fake eyebrows are the most dangerous thing from Canada.

Sorry, not trying to derail. It's the weekend and I leave politics for the week.
Stay Whirly 🤘

Haha, much as we laugh about Canadians check out a guy called Dave Leduc, under Lethwei rules, the most violent stand up rules in the world, bare knuckle, knees, elbows and headbutts... I shit you not, this Canadian is King.

Thanks re the sig Bada, yours are always top notch too. 🙂

https://youtu.be/CExAc67Q-1E

Originally posted by Putinbot1
But he’s buttressing his narrative with pseudo-facts, many of them created for the explicit purpose of promoting white nationalism, especially the whole notion of ‘cultural Marxism’. The arc of radicalisation often passes through these more ‘moderate’ ideologues.”

“The difference is that this individual has a title and profession that lend a certain illusory credibility,” says Cara Tierney, an artist and part-time professor who protested against Peterson’s appearance at Ottawa’s National Gallery last year. “It’s very theatrical and shrewdly exploits platforms that thrive on spectacle, controversy, fear and prejudice. The threat is not so much what [Peterson’s] beliefs are, but how they detract from more critical, informed and, frankly, interesting conversations.”

Consider the media firestorm last November over Lindsay Shepherd, a teaching assistant at Ontario’s Wilfrid Laurier University, who was reprimanded for showing students a clip of Peterson debating gender pronouns. Her supervising professor compared it to “neutrally playing a speech by Hitler”, before backing down and apologising publicly. The widely reported controversy sent 12 Rules for Life racing back up the Amazon charts, leading Peterson to tweet: “Apparently being compared to Hitler now constitutes publicity.”

Yet Peterson’s commitment to unfettered free speech is questionable. Once you believe in a powerful and malign conspiracy, you start to justify extreme measures. Last July, he announced plans to launch a website that would help students and parents identify and avoid “corrupt” courses with “postmodern content”. Within five years, he hoped, this would starve “postmodern neo-Marxist cult classes” into oblivion. Peterson shelved the plan after a backlash, acknowledging that it “might add excessively to current polarisation”. Who could have predicted that blacklisting fellow professors might exacerbate polarisation? Apparently not “the most influential public intellectual in the western world”.

The key to Peterson’s appeal is also his greatest weakness. He wants to be the man who knows everything and can explain everything, without qualification or error. On Channel 4 News, he posed as an impregnable rock of hard evidence and common sense. But his arguments are riddled with conspiracy theories and crude distortions of subjects, including postmodernism, gender identity and Canadian law, that lie outside his field of expertise. Therefore, there is no need to caricature his ideas in order to challenge them. Even so, his critics will have their work cut out: Peterson’s wave is unlikely to come crashing down any time soon.

It says his a **** really.

This person writing is without substance. They should stick to art. He criticizes JP, and speaks that he is out of his area of expertise on many areas. Yet fails to go into depth or detail about anything.

I don’t even know why he mentioned the Lindsay Sheppard thing? It was the perfect example of what JP says is a problem in academia. Did you listen to her recording of her “questioning”. It was f*cked. Like something out of China.

Come on, JP talks outside his area all the time.

I haven't put much stock into what I've heard him say, but I don't know enough about him or his ideas to call him dangerous.

JP is mediocre. He’s very good in some fields, yet horrendous in others. He’s an intelligent man, but he rambles way, way too much about inane tangents.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
JP is mediocre. He’s very good in some fields, yet horrendous in others. He’s an intelligent man, but he rambles way, way too much about inane tangents.

hmm

Okay, yup, pretty much exactly this.

He's a gateway to the right for ****tards tbh.