galactus invades OA

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Guardians could drain Volthoom because he was tricked by Rami and then kept imprisoned...Volthoom literally ****ed every amped and non amped high level lanterns and all the guardians while he got free...What a bad showing,"Guardians drained Volthoom"

That was AFTER Guardians drained themselves to give Volthoom his power.

Which they drained from him and kept him imprisoned until they were distracted by mind controlling 1/3 of the universe and fighting literally entire GL corps, Red Lantern corps and WL Kyle.

Ganthet was highly dominated by , .Cyborg Superman when he had his own GL Ring...,in place of him,,this is Galan who consumed 4 huge planets..

You mean when Henshaw used Oan tech to drain Ganthet? Unlike Galactus who got drained by Quasar creating a construct and Johnny Storm powering it?

Otherwise Ganthet literally oneshotted Henshaw along with a few random GLs (disintegrated him completely when even a galaxy busting explosion couldn't do it). Just before he no sold Kyle and John together.

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Originally posted by Bentley
Let's be fair with the Sol's Anvil. It harnesses the power of the sun but focuses it on a minuscule radio when compared to the sun itself. If you were thrown into the sun like, say, mjolnir you would never really experience the full energy of the sun because it's distributed on a huge area and you're only experience a part of it. Throwing a sun at someone <<< focusing the energy of the sun in a single point.

As per Reed's own admission it's also the most powerful weapon created solely by men. This connects with an ark where the council of Reeds fought the Mad Celestials and Reed used his now-classic Celestial busting gun-from-his-closet. He also made the Anti-Galactus suit and other sh_t that sits well above herald level.

Last but not least, Galactus himself did not get koed by Sol's Anvil, giving him the durability of some one-hit-wonders as his definitive showing when he has a long history (filled with both good and terrible feats) is disingenious.

He probably still loses here but it's not as lolzy as Abhi implies awesr

Sol's anvil>Mad Celestials>Galactus. It's not hard to understand.

This is from Secret Wars 1 #1 page 10 (IIRC). Big G gets "annoyed" after Ultron blasts him w/ disintergration beams. They do NO damage to Big G. This is what happens to Ultron.:
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#2 has Doom confirming that Ultron was neutralized by Galactus. This could mean that Big G instantly drained Ultron, neutralized the energy w/in Ultron, or simply disrupted Ultron's power core enough to shut him down. The fact that the adamantium that Ultron was made of did NOTHING to help him even RESIST what Galactus did to him is actual PROOF that They would not be able to RESIST Galactus' attacks at al

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Originally posted by abhilegend
The sun wasn't fully drained, it was only a small part and Earth buttressed the power of the blast.

Sol's anvil>Mad Celestials>Galactus. It's not hard to understand.

A Fraction of the Sun can still be a sh_tload of energy and since you don't know exactly how big of a fraction that is you are just insisting on your wording to diminish the feat. Do I really need to explain how much bigger the Sun is compared to the Earth, let alone the beat that the Sol's Anvil launched? The intensity can still be well beyond what the Sun produces naturally per squared meter.

A random laser > Magneto > Wolverine. Not hard to understand? Try not to pass this kind of argument as common sense please.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is from Secret Wars 1 #1 page 10 (IIRC). Big G gets "annoyed" after Ultron blasts him w/ disintergration beams. They do NO damage to Big G. This is what happens to Ultron.:
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#2 has Doom confirming that Ultron was neutralized by Galactus. This could mean that Big G instantly drained Ultron, neutralized the energy w/in Ultron, or simply disrupted Ultron's power core enough to shut him down. The fact that the adamantium that Ultron was made of did NOTHING to help him even RESIST what Galactus did to him is actual PROOF that They would not be able to RESIST Galactus' attacks at al

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Originally posted by Bentley
A Fraction of the Sun can still be a sh_tload of energy and since you don't know exactly how big of a fraction that is you are just insisting on your wording to diminish the feat. Do I really need to explain how much bigger the Sun is compared to the Earth, let alone the beat that the Sol's Anvil launched? The intensity can still be well beyond what the Sun produces naturally per squared meter.

It was beneath the level of power needed to tear apart the Earth as Earth was buttressing the energy attack. That's why Val said that using the sol's anvil might tear Earth apart next time. Not to mention Nu Earth was formed because sol's anvil minutely dimmed the sun.

That's the only quantifiable feat from the whole arc.

A random laser > Magneto > Wolverine. Not hard to understand? Try not to pass this kind of argument as common sense please.

Haha, what? What kind of nonsense is this?

[QUOTE=16827594]Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? How is adamantium or Ultron supposed to factor in this? [/QUOTE

Are lanterns stronger than adamantium?]

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
[QUOTE=16827594]Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Wut? How is adamantium or Ultron supposed to factor in this? [/QUOTE

Are lanterns stronger than adamantium?] [/B]

Guardians sure are a lot more powerful than Ultron and GLs combined pack a lot more power than Ultron does.

riight.

I can show you other feats of Galan manhandling In-Betweener, The Multiversal UN which killed Abraxas being apart of Galan, and Galan beating other skyfather entities

Weakened Galactus destroyed a galaxy with one blast.

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Galactus nearly destroyed all realities in a fight with scrier and order if he wasn't stopped at the last minute.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/9q5Yqczyy0gNvg4kTFLUYmFBG41go2Zj1w47li6Bj0tibf4sti46FOu9FLJyeO4CIsLWE6yiO3xG=s1600?fbclid=IwAR0B0o_njHop4-Bbys3UIdY5lvUh-i-PPTsohTEUWQco4e_EOW57c1kLk9Q

Time and space bent to a broken point.

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All of creation was nearly destroyed. Hmm
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after Atrocitud by mistook released Volthoom,,Volthoom ran havoc throughout the creation and Guardians,WL Kyle,Parallax Sinestro everyone were completely helpless before him so they needed Hal to summon Nekron...

At the very first,,Henshaw was able to.imprison Ganthet,,he had his own GL ring..

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was beneath the level of power needed to tear apart the Earth as Earth was buttressing the energy attack. That's why Val said that using the sol's anvil might tear Earth apart next time. Not to mention Nu Earth was formed because sol's anvil minutely dimmed the sun.

That's the only quantifiable feat from the whole arc.

Not nearly as quantifiable as you make it up to be. Earth is essentially taking the recoil from the shot, if we were talking about a regular gun. But we know Sol's Anvil is not essentially harnessing a kinetic force and we have no way of knowing the buffering used to reduce the damage done to Earth.

Should we play the "make up bullsh_t numbers" game and compare its recoil with a M16 rifle?

"1763 Joules of kinetic energy as it leaves the muzzle, but the recoil energy of the gun is less than 7 Joules"

7= 1/2 planet bust
Around 125 planets busted out of energy.

But of course, a M16 is meant to shoot a bunch of bullets and Sol's Anvil is obviously not conceived with that in mind.

How much energy is absorbed by the structure of the Sol's Anvil itself is anyone's guess, we only know there is enough left over energy to bust the planet in two shots.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? What kind of nonsense is this?

The exact same comparison you did, a weapon and two characters scaling. The laser killing Magneto doesn't mean it'll kill Wolverine 😱

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
riight.

I can show you other feats of Galan manhandling In-Betweener, The Multiversal UN which killed Abraxas being apart of Galan, and Galan beating other skyfather entities

Weakened Galactus destroyed a galaxy with one blast.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/6259170-galactus+-+energy+projection+destroys+annihilation+wave+1+-+annihilation+%236.jpg

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UN has made Galactus its ***** several times and actually killed him there.

Galactus only destroyed a few solar systems. Not any galaxy.

Annihilation Saga.

Blockbusters of marvel universe

A group of standard, mostly non named lanterns compressed mad God space sector 3600. (Mad god was a sentient space sector, and logically very, very powerful.)

Guy, as a yellow lantern, and a green lantern combined their WILLS to exponentially increase their speed, and catch up with a high warp ship neither could catch themselves.

The Corps combined, created a shield that blocked an explosion that seriously hurt Anti-Monitor.

My point is, there's a history that proves GL's power increases exponentially when multiple members are involved. The ENTIRE Corps, plus Hal (Who is really like a one man Corps at this point) plus The Guardians should definitely be in the high skyfather/abstract tier, at least.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Galactus nearly destroyed all realities in a fight with scrier and order if he wasn't stopped at the last minute.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/9q5Yqczyy0gNvg4kTFLUYmFBG41go2Zj1w47li6Bj0tibf4sti46FOu9FLJyeO4CIsLWE6yiO3xG=s1600?fbclid=IwAR0B0o_njHop4-Bbys3UIdY5lvUh-i-PPTsohTEUWQco4e_EOW57c1kLk9Q

Time and space bent to a broken point.

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All of creation was nearly destroyed. Hmm
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after Atrocitud by mistook released Volthoom,,Volthoom ran havoc throughout the creation and Guardians,WL Kyle,Parallax Sinestro everyone were completely helpless before him so they needed Hal to summon Nekron...

At the very first,,Henshaw was able to.imprison Ganthet,,he had his own GL ring..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now another of the greatest showing of Guardians' power comes from Zero Hour. Remember at this point CPB was just a focus for Guardians' own power as shown in Secret Origins 22.

Hal absorbs the power of the CPB.

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Hal had absorbed chronal energies left after COIE to destroy time stream. Here he destroys an entire universe by opening an entropy rift. Later Extant says there are other entropy rifts he was not responsible for.

Hal kills the Time Trapper with his own power after he survives entropy hence showing the power of Guardians was greater than Entropy itself.

Hal explains how he absorbed some chronal energies to destroy timestream.

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Recreating the reality was from Guardians' power and knowledge as stated.

And he actually destroyed entire creation destroying infinite timelines.

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Then he starts creating his own creation using the power of Guardians. You will notice the green hue in the globes of energies which were solidifying as entire galaxies.

Spectre and the heroes fought Parallax, the heroes absorbed the plasma universe. Hal defeats Spectre but the effort lefts him weakened and the heroes prevailed.

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In the official recounting in 52 issue 7 it is stated that Hal was creating a fully fledged multiverse until Spectre stopped him.

Originally posted by Bentley
Not nearly as quantifiable as you make it up to be.

How much energy is absorbed by the structure of the Sol's Anvil itself is anyone's guess, we only know there is enough left over energy to bust the planet in two shots.[/quote l]

Except that's not what is stated. The earth acted as a wall to redirect all the energy. [quote]

The exact same comparison you did, a weapon and two characters scaling. The laser killing Magneto doesn't mean it'll kill Wolverine 😱

Except celestials/Galactus lacked that pesky healing factor. It was just the matter of how powerful they were.

And what a complete non sequiter. Color me surprised.

Did I ever talk about Galaxy busting? Don't strawman me please ahah

I just clarified that Sol's Anvil could very easily be beyond the damage done by "dropping a sun" into someone. I explained my reasons.

I also claimed that using ABC logic to define how resistant Galactus is makes little sense, specially considering the long history of showings we have from the same characters. We know low showings exist anyways, as a Superman fan you know it makes no sense to try to reduce a character to a few minor interactions (with characters that appear in a single arc nontheless).

If you care about Wolverine's healing factor then pick Thing instead. Would you say Thing is more powerful than Magneto? Would he have a better chance of surviving getting hit with a laser than him? You say it's clearly about "powerlevels" because that's how you wish to portray it and I give you easy examples on how similar situations cannot be about "powerlevels" at all. There is nothing self-evident about your claim.

Originally posted by Bentley
A Fraction of the Sun can still be a sh_tload of energy and since you don't know exactly how big of a fraction that is you are just insisting on your wording to diminish the feat. Do I really need to explain how much bigger the Sun is compared to the Earth, let alone the beat that the Sol's Anvil launched? The intensity can still be well beyond what the Sun produces naturally per squared meter.

A random laser > Magneto > Wolverine. Not hard to understand? Try not to pass this kind of argument as common sense please.

So I stand by my one of my initial points :
A) Hickman is a phucking idiot.

Originally posted by zopzop
But that's kind of Abhi's point. It's still just a FRACTION of the Sun's energy. It doesn't matter if it's 1% or 5% or even 50%. It was less than the total energy our Sun produces.

So I stand by my one of my initial points :
A) Hickman is a phucking idiot.

Originally posted by zopzop
But that's kind of Abhi's point. It's still just a FRACTION of the Sun's energy. It doesn't matter if it's 1% or 5% or even 50%. It was less than the total energy our Sun produces.

So I stand by my one of my initial points :
A) Hickman is a phucking idiot.

Translation: boo hoo Hickman doesn't care about battle board bullshit. Boo f*cking hoo.

Originally posted by Bentley
Did I ever talk about Galaxy busting? Don't strawman me please ahah

You tell this.

I just clarified that Sol's Anvil could very easily be beyond the damage done by "dropping a sun" into someone. I explained my reasons.

And then this. What to believe, eh?

I also claimed that using ABC logic to define how resistant Galactus is makes little sense, specially considering the long history of showings we have from the same characters. We know low showings exist anyways, as a Superman fan you know it makes no sense to try to reduce a character to a few minor interactions (with characters that appear in a single arc nontheless).

But that arc is the most relevant showing for Galactus as he only appeared after eating four planets in that arc.

If you care about Wolverine's healing factor then pick Thing instead. Would you say Thing is more powerful than Magneto? Would he have a better chance of surviving getting hit with a laser than him? You say it's clearly about "powerlevels" because that's how you wish to portray it and I give you easy examples on how similar situations cannot be about "powerlevels" at all. There is nothing self-evident about your claim.

Magneto with his shields will have better chance than Thing. It's a non sequiter because the only difference between Galactus and Celestials were power levels. It wasn't treated as if Galactus could've handled the sol's anvil better because you're comparing totally different power sets in Thing and Magneto.

Galactus would've been ****ed over by Sol's anvil too. Heck, medieval shield technology ****ed him over under Hickman.