the transmuters would be an issue i think. he is SUPPOSED to have complete control over his form, but....that doesn't always translate. it MIGHT, but it's a tough thing to argue. i recall when shimmer (fearsome five) transmuted rex. it took him quite a while to shift back--he was def out for long enough to count for a forum win. if sersi (and i think she is much more of a threat than ronnie or jason--she does basically the same thing he can AND is a high level tp) turned him into...say a frog, could he change himself back?? not sure... would he have some innate defense? maybe, but that would be speculation.
ss doesn't use transmutation as often or as offensively as fs or sersi so i could actually see apoc doing better against norrin than the others. norrin HAS shown the ability to affect characters at the genetic level though so that is always an option for him, and many of his powers would be a tough counter--speed, intangibility, aoe attacks. i'd say ss would beat him for a majority, but without some proof apoc could counter transmutation, i'm not sure how we say he beats sersi or fs. (he is capable of beating fs via tp, but his offensive tp showings are....pretty scarce. he RESPONDS well when attacked with tp, but not sure i recall him ACTIVELY using tp as his first offensive....)
he beats everyone else for a majority imo, accept sersi, ss and maybe fs, though that is purely tp dependent.
Originally posted by leonidasWell, as an example, Apoc has beaten, within a few panels, the techno-organic virus from rewriting him - repeatedly [i.e. what Cable uses the bulk of his TK to fend off for most of his life] - which is, quite frankly, ridiculous. And the general control over his own body [i.e. regeneration, shapeshifting] is crazy, as he constantly rearranges his molecular structure to basically give himself powers.
i'd say ss would beat him for a majority, but without some proof apoc could counter transmutation, i'm not sure how we say he beats sersi or fs.
Even more so, while in a ridiculous depowered state [he literally lost so much power he devolved into a monkey], he is still able with the last vestige of his strength to overwrite the DNA of another being with his own:
Imo, I don't see anybody doing anything to him with transmutation, tbh. I mean - his power, in essence, is the exact counter to that.
maybe. he rebuilt his body, didn't he in that arc? not sure what his new capabilities might be. but the reason he wanted a new body was because the old hosts would constantly degenerate. his control had limits. were he changed into something completely inert--say...salt, for example (hi galan!)--i'm not sure he would be able to change back. his dna would obviously be affected as well. in the scans you showed he wasn't able to evolve back into a man, he needed them to put him in the machine to accomplish that.
like i said, maybe he could overcome transmutation, but i'm not sure it can be stated with any certainty. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidasThat's the problem with him - the bodies always start deteriorating after a while, they need to be rejuvinated/hybernation etc. But I always assume in threads he is not 'weakened', otherwise it's pretty useless. He couldn't turn back because he was losing his powers themselves and his physical form literally refused to listen to his control [while being in an island, or somesuch, that was embued with his DNA -- and evolving like crazy]. It was some kind of an ironic theme - that his DNA allows nature to evolve, while he devolves. Rather weird. But once he evolved back [they tried to use the dna-rewriting machine on him, and he overpowered and rewrote the dna back in return, at least that's how I understood it] we got this nice stuff: https://imgur.com/a/eXJkW43
maybe. he rebuilt his body, didn't he in that arc? not sure what his new capabilities might be. but the reason he wanted a new body was because the old hosts would constantly degenerate. his control had limits. were he changed into something completely inert--say...salt, for example (hi galan!)--i'm not sure he would be able to change back. his dna would obviously be affected as well. in the scans you showed he wasn't able to evolve back into a man, he needed them to put him in the machine to accomplish that.like i said, maybe he could overcome transmutation, but i'm not sure it can be stated with any certainty. /shrug
Yeah, we can't say for certain, but I most definitely lean towards him at worst having to overcome it [i.e. like the T-VO], or even flat-out ignoring it. Given the 'formal knowledge' they all have of each other, it would be really weird for them to even try transmutation, given it would quite possibly fail, and leave them vulnerable.
Phasing, on the other hand....it would be hard for him to overcome.
