2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Originally posted by cdtm
I only said this half jokingly.

Compared to Trump, Vince is a true rags to rich's story. Started out in poverty, in an abusive home, took what opportunity he had and built up an empire.

Contrast him with the president and you'd win the neo-liberal vote, and a lot of the blue collar types who admire self made men.

Which Vince essentially is. Wasn't handed the company, he forced his way in, forced his old man out, and did more with the business then he ever could.

Didn’t know Vince was poor. I thought he was born rich.

Learn something new.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
flip flopping denotes lack of integrity (unless trump)

Well said.

It's not hypocritical if you never flip flop on those double standards.

Originally posted by SquallX
Didn’t know Vince was poor. I thought he was born rich.

Learn something new.

Oh yeah, he was raised up in a ghetto. His father wasn't in his life at all, he had to track him down. And he was against him being in the business, but McMahon not only forced his way in, he bought his father out of his own company.

He's about as close to a "self made man" as it gets, especially compared to someone like Donald Trump.

Vince is a beast. The video of him training to fight Stone Cold is still funny. "He always goes for a kick before the stunner, so if you grab him then you got him!".

Originally posted by cdtm
Well said.

It's not hypocritical if you never flip flop on those double standards.

It's a deflection actually. I certainly never said it's okay when Trump flip flops. However, if it needs to be said then okay: it's not cool when anyone, including Trump, flip flops.

The thing is though these people claim to be better, so I would be hesitant to continue to use these "but trump" excuses.

Trump can’t flip flop. He’s consistently inconsistent. What he says one day might change the next. Imagine trying to create policy around that. Except China.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, he was raised up in a ghetto. His father wasn't in his life at all, he had to track him down. And he was against him being in the business, but McMahon not only forced his way in, he bought his father out of his own company.

He's about as close to a "self made man" as it gets, especially compared to someone like Donald Trump.

Damn!

All demagogues have a hidden craft - that of lechery and prudence. The wise and profane, how they so closely resemble one another.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Yeah. He's just won Nevada, making him the national frontrunner in the Democratic presidential race, and I guess he just made history by being the first presidential candidate during primary/caucus season to win the first three states via popular vote. Here's hoping it helps his campaign build even more momentum.

Primaries are not decided by popular vote, so that is a useless metric. The only metric that matters is delegates, which he is now leading for the first time in the race, after tying with Buttigieg in one, and losing to him in another.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Primaries are not decided by popular vote, so that is a useless metric. The only metric that matters is delegates, which he is now leading for the first time in the race, after tying with Buttigieg in one, and losing to him in another.

Sanders is leading all other Democratic candidates in just about every latest poll, and the popular votes, rally attendance, number of donors, and total campaign funds raised speaks to that--the people want Bernie. He's also beating Trump in a shitload of polls by bigger margins than any other Democratic candidates.

Buttigieg's campaign focused much of their efforts in Iowa and New Hampshire, knowing they were f*cked if they couldn't win the first two states. Even then, the Iowa results were shady as f*ck. The Buttigieg, Biden, Warren campaigns are losing support, and everyone else polling too low to waste any time on. Bloomberg is the only other one significantly climbing in the polls, and that's only because he's dropped a stupid amount of money into buying ads and essentially bribing online personalities for their endorsements in order to build up his name recognition, and he was pretty much castrated on network television by every candidate in the Nevada debate.

So far Bernie has

Free Healthcare
Free University
Free Daycare

And his consistant answer is the billionaires are going to pay for it. This guy is probably the worst problem solver in our history of politicians.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So far Bernie has

Free Healthcare
Free University
Free Daycare

And his consistant answer is the billionaires are going to pay for it. This guy is probably the worst problem solver in our history of politicians.

Remember when he went after both millionaires and billionaires? Now that he’s a millionaire himself, he only goes after billionaires now.

“ pepperidge farm remembers”

Originally posted by SquallX
Remember when he went after both millionaires and billionaires? Now that he’s a millionaire himself, he only goes after billionaires now.

“ pepperidge farm remembers”

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Magnitudes. Millionaires were hot shit decades ago, but while they're still ridiculously wealthy, we've now reached the point where we have more and more billionaires emerging, who completely dwarf the influence of millionaires while being taxed the same as people making $500,000 per year.

That still doesn't address what I brought up, I would vote for Bernie because I don't believe he'll get 100% of what he asks for through Congress, he has dressed up communism and pretended its socialism and says we'll pay for it through the billionaires which we won't because his policies cost more than the money they have.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Maybe not (though they probably should be) but I think you're underestimating the significance of the popular vote, the polls, etc.

Sanders is leading all other Democratic candidates in just about every latest poll, and the popular votes, rally attendance, number of donors, and total campaign funds raised speaks to that--the people want Bernie. He's also beating Trump in a shitload of polls by bigger margins than any other Democratic candidates.

Buttigieg's campaign focused much of their efforts in Iowa and New Hampshire, knowing they were f*cked if they couldn't win the first two states. Even then, the Iowa results were shady as f*ck. The Buttigieg, Biden, Warren campaigns are losing support, and everyone else polling too low to waste any time on. Bloomberg is the only other one significantly climbing in the polls, and that's only because he's dropped a stupid amount of money into buying ads and essentially bribing online personalities for their endorsements in order to build up his name recognition, and he was pretty much castrated on network television by every candidate in the Nevada debate.

Polls are useless, the only thing that matters is votes. Sanders is performing 15–20 points lower than in 2016. He received half as many votes in Iowa in 2020, and won New Hampshire with 90% smaller margin than in 2016. Only 25–30% of Democratic primary voters want him, let alone the 53% of Americans who will never vote for a Socialist under any circumstances for any reason. That means a full 70–75% of Democratic primary votes want not-him, and as others drop out of the race, that vote will consolidate, and he will lose.

Buttigieg has out-performed expectations in every contest so far, whereas Biden, Sanders, and Warren have all under-performed. At this point, Buttigieg and Sanders are neck-and-neck in the race. The only spoiler is Bloomberg, and I do not know that his poor debate performance matters that much. Most voters are not watching the debates, but they are seeing his ads. And since he is self-funded, he does not need a good debate performance for a fundraising bump the way the other candidates do. He could literally run ads all the way to the nomination, which is why the DNC amended the rules to get him on the debate stage, so he will have to compete with the other candidates, instead of coasting to the finish line never having to defend himself.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That still doesn't address what I brought up, I would vote for Bernie because I don't believe he'll get 100% of what he asks for through Congress, he has dressed up communism and pretended its socialism and says we'll pay for it through the billionaires which we won't because his policies cost more than the money they have.

Right. Even if we confiscated all of the wealth of every billionaire in America, it still would not pay for his health care plan. Meanwhile, Biden and Buttigieg are the only two candidates whose plans are revenue neutral, i.e. paid for without raising taxes.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That still doesn't address what I brought up, I would vote for Bernie because I don't believe he'll get 100% of what he asks for through Congress, he has dressed up communism and pretended its socialism and says we'll pay for it through the billionaires which we won't because his policies cost more than the money they have.

"dressed up communism." *facepalm*

You realize all other major industrial nations operate with some form of what Bernie is proposing for healthcare, right? And they love it. They look at us and say, "wtf?" It's simply the only humane and sane way to operate. It's not radical at all. It's an actual Left, not a center Right like our establishment Democrats. We're already paying shit tons of taxes and it's going largely to the military industrial complex. I mean, seriously. Wake up. Why not funnel our tax dollars to useful projects instead?

Why are people horrified when money is spent on the GOOD of PEOPLE and their needs to live happy lives (childcare, education, healthcare, etc), but when it comes to the horrors of war, this country seems to have a blank check? Turn off your fu#king TV.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
"dressed up communism." *facepalm*

You realize all other major industrial nations operate with some form of what Bernie is proposing for healthcare, right? And they love it. They look at us and say, "wtf?" It's simply the only humane and sane way to operate. It's not radical at all. It's an actual Left, not a center Right like our establishment Democrats. We're already paying shit tons of taxes and it's going largely to the military industrial complex. I mean, seriously. Wake up. Why not funnel our tax dollars to useful projects instead?

Why are people horrified when money is spent on the GOOD of PEOPLE and their needs to live happy lives (childcare, education, healthcare, etc), but when it comes to the horrors of war, this country seems to have a blank check? Turn off your fu#king TV.

Cool your jets ramrod, I said I would vote for the man because of our system of Govt. Just because I can call him out on his beliefs doesn't detract from them. He wants to expand govt control of sectors to healthcare, education, energy, daycare (lulz) by taxing billionaires.........he is the most expensive potential president ever.

I'm also for pulling out of countries and stopping our huge military-industrial complex, so sparky you are literally barking up the wrong tree because you don't like the mssg.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So far Bernie has

Free Healthcare
Free University
Free Daycare

And his consistant answer is the billionaires are going to pay for it. This guy is probably the worst problem solver in our history of politicians.