USA vs Europe (whose free speech is more free)

Started by mike brown10 pages

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I think that speech laws provide freedom for minorities. I know you don't though.

Freedom in terms of free speech? Seems to me like those laws don't increase the number of things minorities can say freely.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I think that speech laws provide freedom for minorities. I know you don't though.

Depends on how it's applied.

Originally posted by Valkorion
you know that lots of hate speech cases were actually for anti-religion and anti-christian speech right
to be honest a law like that should be applied equally.

Originally posted by Valkorion
you know that lots of hate speech cases were actually for anti-religion and anti-christian speech right

As much as anti-Christian speech offends me personally, it is not my place at all to tell anyone else what they are or aren't allowed to say.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
As much as anti-Christian speech offends me personally, it is not my place at all to tell anyone else what they are or aren't allowed to say.
And this is where we disagree, words can be a tool of oppression, where a power imbalance exists removing individuals and groups freedoms. But we've discussed this before more than once. I'm not bothering again.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
And this is where we disagree, words can be a tool of oppression, where a power imbalance exists removing individuals and groups freedoms. But we've discussed this before more than once. I'm not bothering again.

who decides when speech is oppressive

say we snapped our fingers and hate speech laws became an amendment in America

who would enforce the law..

hmm the executive branch...

who heads the executive branch?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
And this is where we disagree, words can be a tool of oppression, where a power imbalance exists removing individuals and groups freedoms. But we've discussed this before more than once. I'm not bothering again.

You can not bother if you want, but I am genuinely curious if you could give an example of an anti-christian statement you feel would merit the law get involved. Or I guess I could give an example. What if someone said all Christians are pieces of shit? I'm not saying I believe that, but if someone said that should the law get involved?

If that isn't something worthy of the law getting involved then what kind of comment would you suggest would be worthy, short of threatening violence?

Originally posted by Valkorion
who decides when speech is oppressive

say we snapped our fingers and hate speech laws became an amendment in America

who would enforce the law..

hmm the executive branch...

who heads the executive branch?

The Judiciary and the houses. They keep each other in check.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
The Judiciary and the houses. They keep each other in check.

until the midterms the conservatives controlled every branch lol

100 years ago most of you leftists would’ve been thrown in jail for hate speech if hate speech laws were a thing

alabama would def see “it’s just a lump of cells!” as hate speech against the unborn

israel would see anti-israel protest as anti semitic speech

how shortsighted of you

Originally posted by Putinbot1
The Judiciary and the houses. They keep each other in check.

I didn't know you held so much faith in the government.

leftists: “trump wants to imprison journalists...hey let’s give the feds the power to prosecute hate speech!”

All of this is very different in a presidential system where an elected head of state has so much power. An example of democracy albeit an insane one like Brexit, would never be allowed in the US. The people would never be given the freedom to determine/**** up themselves like.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I didn't know you held so much faith in the government.
Not the government, no. The house of lords, law lords and European court of human rights, ues, yes I do.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
All of this is very different in a presidential system where an elected head of state has so much power. An example of democracy albeit an insane one like Brexit, would never be allowed in the US. The people would never be given the freedom to determine/**** up themselves like.

You're correct, every time we f*ck up the UK is like "hold my beer".

You're our Duff.

Originally posted by Surtur
You're correct, every time we f*ck up the UK is like "hold my beer".

You're our Duff.


Now come on Surtur, that’s based on the assumption that the decision to leave the EU is a **** up (though certainly the way Theresa May is handling it is a **** up).

the left is no longer liberal

And there we have it folks, a polite discussion derailed. 👆 enjoy

Originally posted by Valkorion
obviously america

america is the only country in all of history that has something close to true political free speech

From a constitutional codification perspective, yes, you're right. In actual practice and enforcement, not at all. Surt and I already covered this.

👆

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Finland: Hate speech laws and blasphemy laws
Sweden: Hate speech laws
Norway: Hate speech laws

Bullshit

I personally believe that free speech is more than just allowing hate-speech. As you can see from my posts.

But as I also pointed out, it's a moving goalpost a "thought-policing" slippery slope. I think it represents a greater danger to free speech, long term, than most other speech restrictions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I sure hope your enjoy this new bit of knowledge. You are more educated for having had this conversation with me. Be grateful that you have someone like me in your life to expand your knowledge and rid you of you assumptive ignorance.

LMAO this dude