Originally posted by Robtard
Jokes aside I had nothing in either hand, guy just seemed on edge.
assuming you did have a huge menacing dildo in your hand and they shot you, that would bring up about another area of leniency which has always existed and is always examined on a case-by-case basis: human error.
if he legit thought that your giant black dong was a shotgun, leniency would be taken in his case.
Originally posted by Robtarddon't get me wrong Rob, I've had good experiences and am.good terms with a number of cops. I will never forget my grandfathers wise wotds, never trust a cop and a cop is never your friend. I've seen nothing to make mebthink he is wrong in more than 50 years and almost 50 countries.
I’ve had far more positive experiences with cops than negative. But you’ve also travelled around the world so your experiences would likely be more diverse than mine.Did have a cop almost draw his gun on me once because I raised my hand and said “excuse me officer, but...” But I don’t think that’s normal, guy was probably too high-strung to he’s cop.
Originally posted by Bashar Tegive played gta and i know the dildo is alwayscin the station showers.
assuming you did have a huge menacing dildo in your hand and they shot you, that would bring up about another area of leniency which has always existed and is always examined on a case-by-case basis: human error.if he legit thought that your giant black dong was a shotgun, leniency would be taken in his case.
Re: Police are held to unfair standards
Originally posted by cdtm
Anyone who's read my posts, knows if nothing else, I'm very paranoid about power. I think criticism of those in power is a GOOD thing.I also think people should be judged as fairly as possible. It's my opinion that police officers are often judged very unfairly.
Place yourself in the shoes of a police officer. You could be in a very high crime area, where people routinely gun down each other over "nothing". Maybe you're patroling a high theft area. Maybe someone stabbed someone else in a sports bar. Maybe in a parking lot, a man shot another man for complaining he was leaning against his car. (Both are things that happened only a few towns over from me.)
It's easy to armchair quarterback every time a story comes out where an officer supposedly "abuses" someone fighting against being cuffed. It's easy to call "murder" when a suspect refuses to obey police commands, pulls an object out of a pocket (Maybe it's a gun, maybe it's a phone.).
The fact is:
1. Police officers are human, and have the same self preservation instincts you do. Expecting them to be 100% certain of an object a belligerent suspect is holding, where being wrong could mean they die, is NOT reasonable. No one judging them would be able to maintain such a high standard.
2. The "other" person gets to make choices, too. If they choose to run, that has a consequence. If they choose to fight back, that's on them.
In most of these cases, the police are treated like the adult in the room, while the suspect/victim is treated as if they have no free will, at all. They aren't under the microscope, the officer is.
Which, imo, is incredibly unfair.
Of course, it also should be acknowledged that there are people who spin in the other direction. The police can do no wrong, and the suspect is always to blame.
That's also unfair, and not something to condone, imo. Scrutiny IS a good thing, provided we're using reasonable standards and not habitually holding one side to a ridiculously high, unfair standard.
I have a great counter-argument to the foundation of your entire point.
There are some very very shitty neighborhoods in the UK: every bit as terrible and cesspool ridden as US neighborhoods. Yet, the UK police do a better job and have fewer incidents of trigger happy cops.
I think the US should steal the prison system from Norway, adopt the practices from London's finest, adopt France's Healthcare system, adopt Spain's illicit drug approach, etc. etc. etc. bla bla bla
What does your counter-argument even means though?
We know that the US is largely a gun country while fire arms aren't as big a thing in the UK, the fact that policemen are trigger happy could be just a reflection of your average US citizen being trigger happy. I'm not even trying to be judgemental here if your population loves guns so will the cops.
Originally posted by Bentley
What does your counter-argument even means though?We know that the US is largely a gun country while fire arms aren't as big a thing in the UK, the fact that policemen are trigger happy could be just a reflection of your average US citizen being trigger happy. I'm not even trying to be judgemental here if your population loves guns so will the cops.
Some places have every bit the violence rates as the US. Homicides, violence, robberies, etc. The UK is not this happy crime-free country that some retarded left-wingers in the US think.
Yet, they (their police) still shoot and kill far less often than in our dangerous cities and neighborhoods. They come under condemnation when the UK police shoot knife-wielding murderers.
Also, when a UK police officer uses their firearm, they are treated like they've made a mistake until the investigation is over (they are held to a higher standard than the people they protect and serve).
This article breaks it down more why UK police don't shoot and kill people often:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why-london-won-t-arm-all-police-despite-severe-terror-n737551
Here's a great takeaway:
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect.
We do not keep Law Enforcement stats as thorough as the UK. We just do not do as good of a job as the UK. One of the criticisms of the FBI and the disjointed crime-date from local Law enforcement offices.
However, we can be reasonably assured that, in the US, when police are dispatched to firearm wielding scenarios, our police would definitely have fired far far more than just one shot out of 3,300 scenarios.
The difference between the two is rather overwhelming, don't you think?
Re: Re: Police are held to unfair standards
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the US should steal the prison system from Norway, adopt the practices from London's finest, adopt France's Healthcare system, adopt Spain's illicit drug approach, etc. etc. etc. bla bla bla
It's depressing that a huge chunk of the country would call you un-American for even suggesting this.
Prison system from Norway- yes
Practices of london’s Finest- don’t really know what that means. Definitely wants my cops armed with guns, not policing peoples twitter feed, and not being afraid to investigate crimes for fear of being called racist
France’s healthcare- no
Spain’s drug policy- yes yes absolutely yes
To be fair, the police in England and the rest of the UK don't carry guns as commonly as police in America seem to. Not every policeman/policewoman in England carries a firearm. That would, naturally, be part of why they have less shootings.
As far as the topic goes, I feel like you can only be so understanding before you have to accept that these are the people that are supposed to protect our society from lawlessness. They SHOULD be held to a higher standard on that alone, imo.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Prison system from Norway- yes
Practices of london’s Finest- don’t really know what that means. Definitely wants my cops armed with guns, not policing peoples twitter feed, and not being afraid to investigate crimes for fear of being called racist
France’s healthcare- no
Spain’s drug policy- yes yes absolutely yes
London is known for having some of the best trained police in the world. Your particular issue is with law and the enforcement of those laws, not how well the police are at deescalating a gun-weilding murderer with minimal loss of life, for example.
I agree with you 100%: I don't want someone thought-policing me. But that's a law issue, not a law enforcement discussion.
And France's Healtchare System? Well, I have some very bad news for you, good sir: we already have a healthcare system very similar to France's. It's just...shittier. 🙂 If you have some specific examples you'd like to talk about, let's start a thread and move it there. What are your thoughts? I will want some downtime because there's some stupid crap I have to work on from work and I will get bored of it.
Re: Re: Re: Police are held to unfair standards
Originally posted by StyleTime
👆 Good options to explore.It's depressing that a huge chunk of the country would call you un-American for even suggesting this.
It is rather disheartening that many Americans would think that. Especially if you consider the fact that Americans used to be the best as converging technologies and ideas from other nations and doing awesome stuff with it (and sometimes bad).
The US could stand to revive some of our idea-stealing ways and adopt some of the world's best practices.
We really really really need to improve how we collect criminal information. We are super far behind the UK in this. Why can't we do better? We are smarter than this.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I have a great counter-argument to the foundation of your entire point.There are some very very shitty neighborhoods in the UK: every bit as terrible and cesspool ridden as US neighborhoods. Yet, the UK police do a better job and have fewer incidents of trigger happy cops.
I think the US should steal the prison system from Norway, adopt the practices from London's finest, adopt France's Healthcare system, adopt Spain's illicit drug approach, etc. etc. etc. bla bla bla
So what is Norways prison system?
Originally posted by Surtur
So what is Norways prison system?
Extreme focus on rehabilitation an reintegration. Not punishment.
They want productive citizens. If you focus far less on punishing people and focus more on making productive citizens, you'd be amazed what it does for your crime rates and recidivism stats.
If I'm being honest, I want productive citizens because I want their damn taxes and a better economy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Extreme focus on rehabilitation an reintegration. Not punishment.They want productive citizens. If you focus far less on punishing people and focus more on making productive citizens, you'd be amazed what it does for your crimes rates and recidivism stats.
If I'm being honest, I want productive citizens because I want their damn taxes and a better economy.
It's a good policy.
I'm not certain it's "realistic". I've come to believe, some people, are simply terrible people. Maybe it's environment, maybe it's not, but i can't see "fixing" such people.
"He was giving me shit for leaning on his car. So I shot him. Shit happens."