No. Which is a shame because it was absolutely brilliant in its design and execution. It was a form that gave an immense boost in power at the increased cost of stamina.
But instead we got the Super Saiyan God forms, which are much more powerful without any downside. In my opinion the Super Saiyan God form should've been what Ultra Instinct was, a unreliable transformation that would resurface when Goku fought enemies he'd normally had no chance against, and it should've only been used once or twice.
It is my opinion that SSJ3 essentially represents the upper-echelon of power/transformation that the standard U7 Saiyans could achieve with 'normal' ki(I'm excluding Broly here, because he's a 'mutant' among Saiyans)... And even that is pushing it, because SSJ3 was only attained by Goku in the afterlife, where his undead body didn't have the same stamina limitations of his mortal body. In all likelihood, it is a form that should have never existed on the mortal plane, and it is entirely possible that Goku may not have ever been able to attain SSJ3 under regular circumstances/training with a mortal body. That would explain why a power-hungry warrior like Vegeta, who has ALWAYS trained rigorously, was still never able to reach SSJ3.
Anywho, SSJ3's primary drawback has always been its massive ki consumption. Even during the ToP, Goku still remarked on how quickly it drained his stamina when he briefly powered up to SSJ3 against Caulifla/Kale... And that was with him knowling of the stamina issues he'd previously had with SSG/SSB. So yeah, it's a very impractical form unless you can get the job done in a few seconds.
tl;dr
At this point I really don't think SSJ3 can ever be truly 'mastered/perfected' -- certainly not to the same extent as FPSSJ, at least, where it doesn't cause any extra drain on the user at all.
Good post, Galan.
Even in GT, SSJ3 form was not unreliable (for different reasons, but still).
We did find out that SSJ2 form could be significantly enhanced, though --- as Vegeta (BoS, "you slapped my Bulma" moment) and Future Trunks (when he sparred with SSJ3 Goku) showed us.
So maybe one day, they'll find a way to fix SSJ3's flaws or increase its power output. Won't surprise me one bit.
Originally posted by Galan007
It is my opinion that SSJ3 essentially represents the upper-echelon of power/transformation that the standard U7 Saiyans could achieve with 'normal' ki(I'm excluding Broly here, because he's a 'mutant' among Saiyans)... And even that is pushing it, because SSJ3 was only attained by Goku in the afterlife, where his undead body didn't have the same stamina limitations of his mortal body. In all likelihood, it is a form that should have never existed on the mortal plane, and it is entirely possible that Goku may not have ever been able to attain SSJ3 under regular circumstances/training with a mortal body. That would explain why a power-hungry warrior like Vegeta, who has ALWAYS trained rigorously, was still never able to reach SSJ3.Anywho, SSJ3's primary drawback has always been its massive ki consumption. Even during the ToP, Goku still remarked on how quickly it drained his stamina when he briefly powered up to SSJ3 against Caulifla/Kale... And that was with him knowling of the stamina issues he'd previously had with SSG/SSB. So yeah, it's a very impractical form unless you can get the job done in a few seconds.
tl;dr
At this point I really don't think SSJ3 can ever be truly 'mastered/perfected' -- certainly not to the same extent as FPSSJ, at least, where it doesn't cause any extra drain on the user at all.
It doesnt make sense if Goku can master blue, which is said to draw much more stamina than red, but cant master SSJ3.
Also who could we compare SSJ3 Goku presently to in power?
Originally posted by BrolyBlackYou're also comparing god ki to normal ki.
It doesnt make sense if Goku can master blue, which is said to draw much more stamina than red, but cant master SSJ3.
Perhaps it is easier to master SSB then it is to master SSJ3, due to the types of ki they use? After all, Goku mastered the stamina drain of SSG/SSB in a relatively short period of time, whereas he never came close to mastering the stamina drain of SSJ3 over the course of several yearS.
...Either that or he simply hasn't focused on trying to master SSJ3 ever since he gained the god forms. /shrug
Originally posted by AstnerYeah I completely agree with this.
No. Which is a shame because it was absolutely brilliant in its design and execution. It was a form that gave an immense boost in power at the increased cost of stamina.But instead we got the Super Saiyan God forms, which are much more powerful without any downside. In my opinion the Super Saiyan God form should've been what Ultra Instinct was, a unreliable transformation that would resurface when Goku fought enemies he'd normally had no chance against, and it should've only been used once or twice.