conquering dimensions is hard to quantify. in terms of personal power and feats, trigon would be hard pressed to match surtur who has destroyed a galaxy and battled classic odin evenly for prolonged periods of time. it could be argued that he may have been shown as more powerful than odin at points. what has trigon done to match? he has a lot of narration that is suggestive, but few quantifiable feats. surtur wins based on feats imo.
Originally posted by leonidaswell,but trigon alread absorbed his own dimension(conquered dimension,which is why in new teen titans volume 2,trigon became bigger than volume 1,because he literally consuming all the worlds in that universe),and he will did that to dc universe(canon
conquering dimensions is hard to quantify. in terms of personal power and feats, trigon would be hard pressed to match surtur who has destroyed a galaxy and battled classic odin evenly for prolonged periods of time. it could be argued that he may have been shown as more powerful than odin at points. what has trigon done to match? he has a lot of narration that is suggestive, but few quantifiable feats. surtur wins based on feats imo.
we are talkin about pre52 trigon not new52 here Golgo
destroyed a galaxy is nothing, trigon has destroyed galaxies and UNIVERSE
https://imgur.com/hnMXwa6
https://imgur.com/W4xD52G
https://imgur.com/wwKIRvg
https://imgur.com/Xc6VrQM
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violence of the universe boiled inside him, he consumed all the worlds in his universe
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/5187/893458-trigon_4.jpg
stole the soul of a Universe
http://i.imgur.com/PSXbsJz.jpg
statements are almost as good as feats when you are on that level, even if he's not capable of one shotting a universe, he is still powerful enough to take over and cause universal destruction. So he's on a bigger scale
He is def universal level to say the least, I'd say a notch above galaxy busting skyfather like surtur
like i said, he has lots of good exposition. he has almost no on-panel feats, and since narration and exposition mean almost nothing (nate grey is compared to dark phoenix, but i don't see him as being able to beat down galactus....) in a forum setting, surtur wins based on feats.
we also don't know much about his universe. a pocket dimension? full-sized universe equal to the prime universe? seems unlikely to me. i see him more along the lines of dormmamu or mephisto than i do as any universal level power. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
he has almost no on-panel feats since narration and exposition mean almost nothing in a forum setting
That I don't really agree with
a lot of high end level characters have very few on panel showings, can't just say they automatically lose. Their standing on the cosmic hierarchy need to take into account
we also don't know much about his universe. a pocket dimension? full-sized universe equal to the prime universe?
I'd assume when writer wrote universe they meant it to be at least bigger than a galaxy aka common sense.
also to be fair most galaxies that's been destroyed in comics, has no defined size either
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
and i remember raven origin story in new teen titans said raven when she trigon part power out of control,would destroy universe and more
I agree, but you have to be careful around here, because at times there is a very fine line that separates feats from hyperbole. I mean, I once read that if Cyttorak had not been imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos, that he would have destroyed all of creation.
Originally posted by MrMind
That I don't really agree witha lot of high end level characters have very few on panel showings, can't just say they automatically lose. Their standing on the cosmic hierarchy need to take into account
I'd assume when writer wrote universe they meant it to be at least bigger than a galaxy aka common sense.
also to be fair most galaxies that's been destroyed in comics, has no defined size either
the bigger problem comes from the word 'conquering'. meaning he conquered, not destroyed. likely with an army. who inhabited the universe? any real powers oppose him?
and 😂
galaxies are galaxies. they don't need a specific size. pocket dimensions/pocket universes are much different than regular universe though. hell can be considered a universe sized dimension, but no one would equate it with the prime universe, like no one would equate mephisto with eternity. pocket universes are ruled by beings LIKE mephisto, dormammu, satanish, blaze, satanus, etc.... i see no reason to elevate trigon beyond the likes of those beings.
here is odin saying he has the power to overthrow a universe as well:
also stating surtur destroyed a galaxy. do we take odin's word that he could rule the universe? maybe, if the universe we're talking about is asgard. but do we really think he could overthrow the prime universe? i don't think so... narration=/=feats. never has and never will. it can SUPPORT feats, but the feats need to exist. trigon has next to zero feats, so the narration is effectively meaningless in a forum setting. /shrug
Originally posted by Stoici agree,but i think this depend on whom said those words,and later description,like if a regular person(jimmy,perry,cat,etc)said superman is the most powerful being on earth,then this won't be a solid prove,but if the atom(ray),batman,lex,metron those persons said that,then these words should be considering,and later,if superman performs is enough,then those words should be valid.
I agree, but you have to be careful around here, because at times there is a very fine line that separates feats from hyperbole. I mean, I once read that if Cyttorak had not been imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos, that he would have destroyed all of creation.
and raven was said that by azar(whom constantly against trigon dimension from dimension,and she's power is enough just a fraction power inhabitant in arella is enough to purify azarath souls corrupted by trigon which could devouring azarath dimension iirc),and trigon performs:literally killed entire universe,he was the universe evil itself,conquering his own dimension when he at young age,defeating all heroes on earth just by spreading his power(which is pre-crisis version,coie was after this story) etc
Originally posted by leonidas
and 😂galaxies are galaxies. they don't need a specific size. pocket dimensions/pocket universes are much different than regular universe though. hell can be considered a universe sized dimension, but no one would equate it with the prime universe, like no one would equate mephisto with eternity. pocket universes are ruled by beings LIKE mephisto, dormammu, satanish, blaze, satanus, etc.... i see no reason to elevate trigon beyond the likes of those beings.
here is odin saying he has the power to overthrow a universe as well:
also stating surtur destroyed a galaxy. do we take odin's word that he could rule the universe? maybe, if the universe we're talking about is asgard. but do we really think he could overthrow the prime universe? i don't think so... narration=/=feats. never has and never will. it can SUPPORT feats, but the feats need to exist. trigon has next to zero feats, so the narration is effectively meaningless in a forum setting. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
the bigger problem comes from the word 'conquering'. meaning he conquered, not destroyed. likely with an army. who inhabited the universe? any real powers oppose him?and 😂
galaxies are galaxies. they don't need a specific size. pocket dimensions/pocket universes are much different than regular universe though. hell can be considered a universe sized dimension, but no one would equate it with the prime universe, like no one would equate mephisto with eternity. pocket universes are ruled by beings LIKE mephisto, dormammu, satanish, blaze, satanus, etc.... i see no reason to elevate trigon beyond the likes of those beings.
I guess you overlooked the scans
it said trigon:
ravaged galaxies
brought an entire universe to its knees
violence of the universe boiled inside him, he consumed all the worlds in his universe
it said universe...so not sure why you think its pocket dimension
and you must not have read your own scan--4th one--conquered a universe. 'brought a universe to his knees' is simply synonymous.
know who else conquered a universe--annihilus. he conquered the negative zone which has also been called a universe. annihilus=universal power? universe gets thrown around a lot. fact is we know next to nothing about what he conquered or how he did. i just showed you odin saying he could overthrow the universe but i don't see you calling him universal.
no feats for trigon makes this a dead discussion. narration=/=feats. it's pretty simple.
