Theft from Employers

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BrolyBlack Restricted

Theft from Employers

Is it wrong to work for an employer and do personal things on company time and be paid for it?

Putinbot1 Restricted

Re: Theft from Employers

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Is it wrong to work for an employer and do personal things on company time and be paid for it?
my time and my companies are not fixed. I don't have office hours. Higher level contracts usually have responsibilities andbas long as you meet those, you've donen your job. I write vision and missions and five year action plans other people make them work and worry about clocking in and out.

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

Re: Theft from Employers

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Is it wrong to work for an employer and do personal things on company time and be paid for it?

depends on your job. for example firemen and police tend to have lots of down time and i don't feel that they should have to 'look busy'

but if you're getting paid to perform a task, and you're not doing it, you're in the wrong

BrolyBlack Restricted

^Agreed

Lets say you are supposed to be at work 12:00 pm. And you show up, not dressed to work, clock in, go to the bathroom and take 15 minutes to change. Is that theft?

Putinbot1 Restricted

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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
depends on your job. for example firemen and police tend to have lots of down time and i don't feel that they should have to 'look busy'

but if you're getting paid to perform a task, and you're not doing it, you're in the wrong

pretty much 👆

Putinbot1 Restricted

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
^Agreed

Lets say you are supposed to be at work 12:00 pm. And you show up, not dressed to work, clock in, go to the bathroom and take 15 minutes to change. Is that theft?

is your task reliant on starting at that time? Or does your day give you the freedom to se byour own timetable to complete tasks? Is that just when you are expected to be in the building.

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
^Agreed

Lets say you are supposed to be at work 12:00 pm. And you show up, not dressed to work, clock in, go to the bathroom and take 15 minutes to change. Is that theft?

theft is a legal charge, not a philosophical one. it's like when people say 'meat is murder" or "abortion is murder". but i digress

if they are on the clock and not working, especially on a regular basis, they should be confronted about it professionally, because it's not ethical behavior.

all i know at this point is corporate, so if i was managing this dumbcunt i would first warn them and write them up for further violations. the reason for this would be to present the case to HR if/when they decide 'whateva! i'll do what i want!"

Putinbot1 Restricted

I'm lucky I'm now the "leader" lol, so i don't manage. I have hr and line managers to do that. I get to smile and i don'teven sign the warning letters, i just countersign the head of hr these days when people get fired or employed.

Putinbot1 Restricted

In KSA i used to play golf on work timrbtwiceva week networking.

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

managing sucks. unless you have direct and irrefutable say in the hiring process, it's a lottery of shit.

BrolyBlack Restricted

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
theft is a legal charge, not a philosophical one. it's like when people say 'meat is murder" or "abortion is murder". but i digress

if they are on the clock and not working, especially on a regular basis, they should be confronted about it professionally, because it's not ethical behavior.

all i know at this point is corporate, so if i was managing this dumbcunt i would first warn them and write them up for further violations. the reason for this would be to present the case to HR if/when they decide 'whateva! i'll do what i want!"

What about being on your phone at work on on your computer doing things? Like if your supposed to be working instead on your phone or computer doing personal things.

It can either be adults doing it or kids "studying for school."

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

all depends on context. if it was a cop, and you were pissed over it, i'd be like "why you cryin lulz"

Robtard Senor Member

Re: Re: Theft from Employers

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
depends on your job. for example firemen and police tend to have lots of down time and i don't feel that they should have to 'look busy'

but if you're getting paid to perform a task, and you're not doing it, you're in the wrong

Bingo

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

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i should have clarified that point more, so allow me: many corporate jobs have down time. i myself an having one, and my manager tells me to milk it. not everyone has the kind of job where there is ALWAYS shit to do. few do.

again, i havent worked in non-corporate for over 15 years, so i don't know how someone like that should be handled at target or mcdonalds or a gas station or whatever. yell at them?

Putinbot1 Restricted

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
managing sucks. unless you have direct and irrefutable say in the hiring process, it's a lottery of shit.
Yup, I don't interview much now either. It was very hard learning to trust others judgement. I occasionally attend recruitment fairs if i can justify the flights and hotel. I'mnotndoing them unless the location is nice, best recently was Singapore three years ago. I wracked up awesome expenses.

Putinbot1 Restricted

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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i should have clarified that point more, so allow me: many corporate jobs have down time. i myself an having one, and my manager tells me to milk it. not everyone has the kind of job where there is ALWAYS shit to do. few do.
My advice to anyone is do your job and milk any perks you can. Everyone else is aboveband below you. As long as you do your job, no one unless they are a *unt cares.

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

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Originally posted by Putinbot1
My advice to anyone is do your job and milk any perks you can. Everyone else is aboveband below you. As long as you do your job, no one unless they are a *unt cares.

exactly. if your job is to engrave 10 tombstones a day, and you finish 2 hours early, you deserve 3:00 paid happy hour 👆

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
^Agreed

Lets say you are supposed to be at work 12:00 pm. And you show up, not dressed to work, clock in, go to the bathroom and take 15 minutes to change. Is that theft?

This sounds like classic time clock fraud to me.

Unless you don't take your break later in the day?

Breaks: company does not have to offer.

Lunches: company has to offer if you work 6 or more hours in a day.

Bashar Teg Senior Mentat

i typed that example as a joke but now i am curious

*edit* "24000 and 36000 depending on seniority levels" 👇

BrolyBlack Restricted

Originally posted by dadudemon
This sounds like classic time clock fraud to me.

Unless you don't take your break later in the day?

Breaks: company does not have to offer.

Lunches: company has to offer if you work 6 or more hours in a day.

Well this is hourly work, so if you clock in before you actually start working I agree.

Also, this person doesn't take breaks due to only being scheduled for a few hours a day.