US Bumpstock ban in effect

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, not even close to what it is, now. Those convos went from, "He's a Muslim" to "I'm stockpiling guns and ammo so we can wage a war if they keep this up."

You underestimate the bitterness and anger from the liberty-loving-gun-toting-southerners.

Nothing wrong with that at all. It's probably better that you aren't exposed to racist redneck types all the time especially your children.

You could be right but all it takes is a militia of 2 million to be loosely organized all over the US and for all political opponents or their families to be eliminated over night.

I don't think the DHS has considered this scenario and if they have, it's classified.

To show you, gun rights vs. gun control has been changing a lot, lately. With gun control support dropping and gun rights increasing:

https://www.people-press.org/2017/06/22/public-views-about-guns/#total

It's not a "very vast majority." It's about half who may take up arms to protect their gun rights.

It was more than that. They talked about hanging Obama. They talked longingly about the coming "race war". Almost like they couldn't wait to shoot people who disagreed politically with them/were different and have an excuse to do so.

I don't think I do. I know it fairly well, I just think that the vast majority of them will spill their tear ducts before shooting people, especially law enforcement.

It's a fear tactic (I don't think this is you), imo. "Take my guns and thousands or even millions will die!" More like cry.

Yeah I don't think an army of beer-bellied middle aged men wielding AR-15s poses any real threat.

Originally posted by mike brown
I tend to doubt a massive armed rebellion for something like Ar15 being banned. If they banned all guns that is another story. I think any such rebellion will be crushed mercilessly and it will just bring us one step closer to a complete police state.

Agreed. An outlaw on all guns, even strict hunting arms, sure, that changes the game/mentality. I don't think that would ever happen. The National Emergency precedent will likely be used to outlaw assault rifles and possibly put some restrictions on other arms while not outright banning them.

Originally posted by TempAccount
Yeah I don't think an army of beer-bellied middle aged men wielding AR-15s poses any real threat.

"Meal Team Six" -Focus4Chumps

Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed. An outlaw on all guns, even strict hunting arms, sure, that changes the game/mentality. I don't think that would ever happen. The National Emergency precedent will likely be used to outlaw assault rifles and possibly put some restrictions on other arms while not outright banning them.

There could be some good to come out of it regarding looking at and revamping background checks, better cohesion between law agencies and wait times. That's what the last admin was pushing for and it got shot down every time.

Just banning this gun but not that gun without looking at the whole system/issue in place would be pretty useless in the big picture.

Right I agree with the background check stuff just not the assualt weapons ban.

I mean fully automatic guns are still "banned" without a license, yet citizens can acquire them with the necessary clearance. Just do the same with semi autos. Demolition ranch / FPS Russia videos are pretty cool tbh

I mean TBH I could really give a shit if they ban them I just don't expect it will do much to address the problem they are trying to address, which is rich white kids getting shot at school. If anything the strongest argument to ban them is that they are being trafficked en masse to Central and South America for use by the narco cartels.

Originally posted by mike brown
If anything the strongest argument to ban them is that they are being trafficked en masse to Central and South America for use by the narco cartels.

In some cases by federal law enforcement agencies.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was more than that. They talked about hanging Obama. They talked longingly about the coming "race war". Almost like they couldn't wait to shoot people who disagreed politically with them/were different and have an excuse to do so.

You're referring to a very very small portion of the population, here, when it came to Obama as president. Crazy racist types.

I'm talking about tens of millions of Americans who frowned upon those racist statement who would also get up in arms (pun intended) if all gun rights were removed.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think I do. I know it fairly well, I just think that the vast majority of them will spill their tear ducts before shooting people, especially law enforcement.

It's a fear tactic (I don't think this is you), imo. "Take my guns and thousands or even millions will die!" More like cry.

And this is where I very much disagree. Come talk to people around where I live and you'll change your mind.

Or did you think the mass-purchase of guns thing that happened a few times was just "tears"?

Empty rhetoric = tears and false bravado

Actually stockpiling weapons and ammo to wage war against an oppressive government = preparing to wage war against an oppressive government

Are you referring to the nice uptick in both gun and ammo sales every time Obama said something like "we should take a look at our gun control legislation" or the uptick whenever there's a mass shooting as people fear restrictive laws might result so they engage the "buy and stockpile while it's still legal" mindset, or strictly the militia madness types?

To your last part, I think you're talking about the militia madness types who are indeed stockpiling weapons and training themselves for whatever imaginary war they've convinced themselves is coming. I know those people exist, as you can both read about them and watch videos of them stating their reasons/beliefs. I do doubt the number that would actually go to war with the US government/military though if it came down to it.

eg "We had 1,000 trained, armed and dedicated members, but only 42 showed up when it was time." -Jimmy Bob "Jimbo" Johnson, Leader of The American Freedom Fighters United <--- I think that's more likely to happen

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you referring to the nice uptick in both gun and ammo sales every time Obama said something like "we should take a look at our gun control legislation" or the uptick whenever there's a mass shooting as people fear restrictive laws might result so they engage the "buy and stockpile while it's still legal" mindset, or strictly the militia madness types?

Yes and I find those trends disturbing.

"Mass shooting? Quick! Buy guns and ammo before they take our guns away!"

Originally posted by Robtard
To your last part, I think you're talking about the militia madness types who are indeed stockpiling weapons and training themselves for whatever imaginary war they've convinced themselves is coming. I know those people exist, as you can both read about them and watch videos of them stating their reasons/beliefs. I do doubt the number that would actually go to war with the US government/military though if it came down to it.

eg "We had 1,000 trained, armed and dedicated members, but only 42 showed up when it was time." -Jimmy Bob "Jimbo" Johnson, Leader of The American Freedom Fighters United <--- I think that's more likely to happen

I don't disagree.

But it's more like 20 million and only a few million would do anything like organize and coordinate to "take out" who they view as the oppressors.

You guys are not seeing the long fallout of said Civil War.

If a Civil War we’re too happen, even if it were started by a mere 1000 individuals, it would be a win regardless for either side, and the US would fall from both foreign powers and insiders.

2 things would happen.

A. Those individuals do manage to kill key leaders, and the Government will wipe them out pretty quickly. Martial would be instated. Someone in the Government will try to seize power for themselves, and another Civil War begins. The second that happens, we would be attacked by our enemies and either get wipe out, or close to it. In the end, our only detergents would be Nuclear.

B. The Government wipes them out before any act of terror can be carried out. That same group supporters go out in the street and start shits with the Government. NG is dispatched for keeping the peace, they will attack the NG, force them to attack them back, and plays the victim. They wi show the Citizens that the Government is indeed trying to comtrol them, and the people will rise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes and I find those trends disturbing.

"Mass shooting? Quick! Buy guns and ammo before they take our guns away!"

I don't disagree.

But it's more like 20 million and only a few million would do anything like organize and coordinate to "take out" who they view as the oppressors.

Agreed, it is disturbing. What I find weird, is that the Gun Industry are the ones who profit most from mass murders, yet the conspiracy nutters never really point their conspiracy fingers at the most obvious benefactor. Not that I'd believe that conspiracy either.

I really don't see a million strong militant militia, let alone a few million. Hopefully you're wrong here.

Originally posted by SquallX
You guys are not seeing the long fallout of said Civil War.

If a Civil War we’re too happen, even if it were started by a mere 1000 individuals, it would be a win regardless for either side, and the US would fall from both foreign powers and insiders.

2 things would happen.

A. Those individuals do manage to kill key leaders, and the Government will wipe them out pretty quickly. Martial would be instated. Someone in the Government will try to seize power for themselves, and another Civil War begins. The second that happens, we would be attacked by our enemies and either get wipe out, or close to it. In the end, our only detergents would be Nuclear.

B. The Government wipes them out before any act of terror can be carried out. That same group supporters go out in the street and start shits with the Government. NG is dispatched for keeping the peace, they will attack the NG, force them to attack them back, and plays the victim. They wi show the Citizens that the Government is indeed trying to comtrol them, and the people will rise.

Don't take this as an attack, but I don't see either happening. Your scenarios would make for a decent fictional story though, have you considered being the next Tom Clancy?

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't take this as an attack, but I don't see either happening. Your scenarios would make for a decent fictional story though, have you considered being the next Tom Clancy?

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't take this as an attack, but I don't see either happening. Your scenarios would make for a decent fictional story though, have you considered being the next Tom Clancy?

I don’t see it as an attack if it open dialogues. While you claimed this scenario is more spy thriller shtick, don’t forget why we rebelled against one of the most powerful Empires at the time, or why the real Civil War begin.

And before anyone here claims the Civil War was about slavery, they would be wrong. Slavery was only added at the last minute.