Marvel Mystic Hierarchy

Started by leonidas2 pages

yeah maybe. i'm not sure i'd put him that high though. i think he'd go somewhere around strange, maybe just above. not sure i'd put llan on the level of someone like hela for example. talisman should be close to strange level as well. km might have a better idea. speaking of, the great beasts could fall around the skyfather levels. crom should be placed in their somewhere too. maybe just above skyfathers? his appearances are so limited it's nearly impossible to place him i suppose. i know he was at least partly responsible for imprisoning shuma, but i don't think that was full power shuma, so..... shrug

Llan is hard to peg as we never saw his full power as he was limited by rules given to him by Eternity. So he definitely is below Eternity but as noted is more powerful then the great beasts for example. He was above strange and talisman by a good margin too. Talisman was built to deal with him and knew going one on one with him would be bad

Great Beasts I would put them at Elder God level (above sky father). One great beast was taking on thousand of chaos kings slave army. 5-6 random slave gods killed the panther god. Just a few of the great beasts (not all of them) were going to beat the entire chaos king forces and chaos king himself before being betrayed. No other pantheon came close to doing that

I know we can’t use ABC logic but if the beasts could do that and Llan > Beasts that shows you his power

we've discussed this before. you see the beasts as more powerful--much more--than i do. i'd forgotten how powerful llan was though. he is hard to gauge however. i'd say skyfather, tentatively, but he could be beyond that.

someone else to consider would be merlyn. mrm may have thoughts on him. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think of LT as a "mystical" being... At least not in the same sense the others are. /shrug

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On another note, I'd also put Archenemy somewhere pretty high on the list.

In canon both LT and Eternity are sources of mystical power. So whilst they might not be the 1st beings to come to mind when talking on the subject of Marvels mystical world, purely because most appearances have them dealing with purely cosmic threats, they definitely are tied to that world.

Order, Chaos and Inbetweener have defined ties to magic, even the Phoenix Force has been tapped by sorcerers. So in Marvel at least, the lines are blurred between the fundamental forces/abstracts and the mystical plane.

Originally posted by leonidas
we've discussed this before. you see the beasts as more powerful--much more--than i do. i'd forgotten how powerful llan was though. he is hard to gauge however. i'd say skyfather, tentatively, but he could be beyond that.

someone else to consider would be merlyn. mrm may have thoughts on him. /shrug

That’s because you make up your own rules to debate on the board 😛

But I’m curious where would you place them then?

I wasn’t a huge fan of Llan. Cool concept but wasn’t handled very well but he was meant to be pretty Uber

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Mythology
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Alpha Flight #72 [Vol.1]:
He’s the opener of the way for all evil that lurks outside

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Alpha Flight #72 [Vol.1]:
Llan was also said that he is the next worse thing to the devil himself and Llan isn't a demon or a god, something far worse.

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Alpha Flight #72 [Vol.1]:
Llan is one of the most ancient of evils and said to be the most powerful. He is the architect of madness, the bringer of despair

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Alpha Flight #72 [Vol.1]:
Here it talks about the Rules of Engagement Llan follows that were created by Eternity

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Alpha Flight #86 [Vol.1]:
Once again talks about the Rules of Engagement and if Talisman is dead he is allowed to manipulate the universe without fear from Eternity.

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Doh! Won’t let me edit. This is what I wanted to add

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Alpha Flight #71 [Vol.1]:
The Great Beasts, Pestilence and even the Dreamqueen were only signs and tests for the Talisman to get ready for the appearance of Llan

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yeah that last scan is a good one. i went back and took a look. btw i'd forgotten how awful some of that material was. lol i agree though, he was intended to be pretty uber.

as for the beasts i'd say lower end skyfather in general, though not all appeared to be the same power level so maybe trans up to skyfather would be better. they did have the good showing with chaos king, but i just recall always thinking they were cool but when it came to it they disappointed in many of the AF books. i'm all for having my mind changed in regards to them, but i'm not sure they have feats to suggest they are beyond someone like odin or prime for example. /shrug

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Originally posted by leonidas
yeah that last scan is a good one. i went back and took a look. btw i'd forgotten how awful some of that material was. lol i agree though, he was intended to be pretty uber.

as for the beasts i'd say lower end skyfather in general, though not all appeared to be the same power level so maybe trans up to skyfather would be better. they did have the good showing with chaos king, but i just recall always thinking they were cool but when it came to it they disappointed in many of the AF books. i'm all for having my mind changed in regards to them, but i'm not sure they have feats to suggest they are beyond someone like odin or prime for example. /shrug

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Yep they do vary in power. Some have zero showings other then being tall. But their meant to all be peers. They actually hate each other and would cancel each other out without Somon in control.

But to be fair most of their “defeats” were not even the real beasts but avatars they created. They also have a time constraint where they can’t access their full power.

They do have a lot of great showings though. For example Tanaraq powered the wrecking crew to be planet busters. Oeming wrote it and compared tanraq to the level of Surtur. Still no clue why or how he commanded surturs army. Tanaraq also with just a stare took out talisman who was written as a rival to strange

Ranaq had weird abilities. For example he can control and manipulate even food to where "its replicating itself at an impossible rate, it must be functioning as a dimensional interface, siphoning energy from the spirit plane and instantly converting that energy into ectoplasmic matter" and if unchecked could become two-directional, draining from the plant entirely. So he made eggs threaten the life of the plant

Mauvais who used to battle the Ancient One and who even Strange was terrified of him and said he was unsure he could beat. All That happened was before mauvis upgrade...but even after his upgrade he even knew he was nothing to the Beasts and was scared for his life just coming face to face with them. Shaman knows anything he could do would merely be stopgaps at best against the beasts

I also put them as Elder God level as that’s what they have been called too. Their older then the earth itself and are similar to abstracts,
-“The Great Beasts come from a time long before good or evil, for that matter, right or wrong. They're hellstorms, nothing more or less--living breathing tornadoes of mystical energy--consuming everything in their path without restraint or remorse.”
-“The Great Beasts were embodiments of death on Earth when it was first commencing to come alive. It was stated "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind".