The Runner is actually more durable than the Flash though. The Surfer is too. Either of the guys can survive re-entry to the planet and survive the fall from that height. Physically it's a wash, and as I said, the Space Gem allows for the Runner to be anywhere in an instant. This as so many people have pointed out in the past is a battle forum, not a PIS filled comic book that Flash forgets that he can travel a million or more miles per second. Hell, in a forum the Runner doing top speed and punching a character in Grodd's weight class would likely end in a fatality.
The Space Gem isn't speed. It's more of a case of instant translocation. I've already pointed out that at this level, Grodd would be punching up, while the Runner would only require one hit, which in real time would occur before Grodd even put the action into play in his mind. One hit is all that's needed here. But yeah, I can also see Grodd winning if the Runner decided to sit there and talk it out like Goku as well, but that's not what would happen here.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Well, if he appeared in the same space/universe, wouldn't he still be slowed down to nothing?
Im not sure. I think the still force needs to be fleshed out a bit more. I kinda lost interest immediately after seeing Grodd with a baby strapped to his chest. But iirc it negated movement right? But with the space gem you arent technically moving you're warping reality to put you somewhere you imagined. Does Grodd have such control where he can negate teleportation AND his innate speed and his pleasure powers? Imo it's Runner's fight to lose but i can be convinced otherwise
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im not sure. I think the still force needs to be fleshed out a bit more. I kinda lost interest immediately after seeing Grodd with a baby strapped to his chest. But iirc it negated movement right? But with the space gem you arent technically moving you're warping reality to put you somewhere you imagined. Does Grodd have such control where he can negate teleportation AND his innate speed and his pleasure powers? Imo it's Runner's fight to lose but i can be convinced otherwise
Grodd can slow down all molecules, even to the level of neurons, so he has fine tune control. Flash basically did nothing to him, and I don't see Runner as fast as post rebirth Barry. Runner would have to use the gem to do some wild, creative things. What has Runner exactly done with the Space Gem?
Reviewing the still force, Runner would likely power up Grodd. Flash's speed wasn't enough to even touch him, so runner better pull something special to take him down.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Grodd can slow down all molecules, even to the level of neurons, so he has fine tune control. Flash basically did nothing to him, and I don't see Runner as fast as post rebirth Barry. Runner would have to use the gem to do some wild, creative things. What has Runner exactly done with the Space Gem?
Yea I get that not doubting you. But that's still only an inertia counter right? Space gem has nothing to do with movement or speed..it
warps space...so the still force can't really negate that, can it? And iirc all he did with the gem was teleport it never actually made him faster. He just thought it did.
