Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Right, so if you're talking about morality, you shouldn't require more of it than you do any other discipline. Take the health field. The starting point is that health is preferred to illness. You have to have that starting point. So with morality, why can't you just say that not suffering is preferred to suffering?Here's a good conversation on this topic...
Huxley's contention in Brave New World is that this hypothetical hedonistic society where suffering is virtually nonexistent has robbed people of something deeply important to their humanity to get there, the authenticity of themselves and their lives, the spark of individuality, the character built from confronting the troubles of the world. Which is why he considers such a society dystopian.
And someone like Sam Harris actually seems to agree with that. In a discussion with Dave Rubin, he brought up the hypothetical of a pill that cures grief over a lost loved one. Yet he said that if it existed there is a right way to use it and a wrong way to use it. The right way would be for someone who just couldn't get over the death of a loved one a while after the fact and had been wildly depressed. The wrong way would be seconds after your son gets run over by a car. His contention being that there would be a loss of authenticity in that situation, that there's value to your emotional response to the world accurately modeling reality.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well that's a start but it's not really enough. Just that principle alone would land you at the conclusion that Brave New World is the ideal civilization. Whenever anyone starts to feel bad they get drugged up and have sex, everyone is conditioned to be happy with their place in society, nobody grieves for the dead. Yet there's no true depth of thought, no real art or poetry, nothing truly creative, no adventure to life, no real passion, etc.Huxley's contention in Brave New World is that this hypothetical hedonistic society where suffering is virtually nonexistent has robbed people of something deeply important to their humanity to get there, the authenticity of themselves and their lives, the spark of individuality, the character built from confronting the troubles of the world. Which is why he considers such a society dystopian.
And someone like Sam Harris actually seems to agree with that. In a discussion with Dave Rubin, he brought up the hypothetical of a pill that cures grief over a lost loved one. Yet he said that if it existed there is a right way to use it and a wrong way to use it. The right way would be for someone who just couldn't get over the death of a loved one a while after the fact and had been wildly depressed. The wrong way would be seconds after your son gets run over by a car. His contention being that there would be a loss of authenticity in that situation, that there's value to your emotional response to the world accurately modeling reality.
I just mean it's the potential starting point for morality in the same way that it is for the healthcare system. In the case of Brave New World, of course the point is not to rob human life of its nature (our capacity for suffering is indeed an intrinsic part of our nature and even aids in survival), but it's simply a way to definitively say, "It's wrong to stab your neighbor, even if they slept with your wife" (for example). It doesn't mean "just feel good all the time no matter what the means." And there are, of course, other ways to "feel good" than popping pills and sex. Those are really just escapism, which can be unhealthy, because you're then avoiding reality.
Nice post, though. 👆
The usual internet band of odorous incel fatbodies were once again triggered, this time by the innocuous image of a black hole, because a woman received credit for composting the images and creating the black hole image we now know so well.
So as usual the greasy rage-addicted virgins did their lying routine and tried to make people believe that the credit was stolen from a white male coworker. Of course that coworker then publicly shut down their phaggotry.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
The usual internet band of odorous incel fatbodies were once again triggered, this time by the innocuous image of a black hole, because a woman received credit for composting the images and creating the black hole image we now know so well.So as usual the greasy rage-addicted virgins did their lying routine and tried to make people believe that the credit was stolen from a white male coworker. Of course that coworker then publicly shut down their phaggotry.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
I think the closest they can get to taking her credit away is the software dev who created the code that could combine the images (and do lots of other things), wrote about 90% of that codebase. And he made it clear that it's a very large team: more than just a dev.
However, even that narrative falls flat on its face because he was just executing her ideas: she came up with the idea how to do it and he followed through with coding it.
I wish there was no reason for people to fight over stuff like this. Just enjoy that humans are doing awesome things. Stop playing identity politics. When I saw her face and news stories, I didn't think, "Wow! Such a great of accomplishment for women!" I thought, "Awesome! Humanity improved just a bit more due to this great work."
And if a little girl sees this and is inspired to become an astrophysicist when she grows up, that's amazing and makes my heart happy. Why does everyone have to ruin these moments?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
The usual internet band of odorous incel fatbodies were once again triggered, this time by the innocuous image of a black hole, because a woman received credit for composting the images and creating the black hole image we now know so well.So as usual the greasy rage-addicted virgins did their lying routine and tried to make people believe that the credit was stolen from a white male coworker. Of course that coworker then publicly shut down their phaggotry.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Get madder over it please.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I wish there was no reason for people to fight over stuff like this. Just enjoy that humans are doing awesome things. Stop playing identity politics. When I saw her face and news stories, I didn't think, "Wow! Such a great of accomplishment for women!" I thought, "Awesome! Humanity improved just a bit more due to this great work."And if a little girl sees this and is inspired to become an astrophysicist when she grows up, that's amazing and makes my heart happy. Why does everyone have to ruin these moments?
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Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the closest they can get to taking her credit away is the software dev who created the code that could combine the images (and do lots of other things), wrote about 90% of that codebase. And he made it clear that it's a very large team: more than just a dev.However, even that narrative falls flat on its face because he was just executing her ideas: she came up with the idea how to do it and he followed through with coding it.
I wish there was no reason for people to fight over stuff like this. Just enjoy that humans are doing awesome things. Stop playing identity politics. When I saw her face and news stories, I didn't think, "Wow! Such a great of accomplishment for women!" I thought, "Awesome! Humanity improved just a bit more due to this great work."
And if a little girl sees this and is inspired to become an astrophysicist when she grows up, that's amazing and makes my heart happy. Why does everyone have to ruin these moments?
Man or woman, its still a stupid picture people are a way to excited about possibly the worst picture in the world ever produced. I could have made a better one of photoshop.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the closest they can get to taking her credit away is the software dev who created the code that could combine the images (and do lots of other things), wrote about 90% of that codebase. And he made it clear that it's a very large team: more than just a dev.However, even that narrative falls flat on its face because he was just executing her ideas: she came up with the idea how to do it and he followed through with coding it.
I wish there was no reason for people to fight over stuff like this. Just enjoy that humans are doing awesome things. Stop playing identity politics. When I saw her face and news stories, I didn't think, "Wow! Such a great of accomplishment for women!" I thought, "Awesome! Humanity improved just a bit more due to this great work."
And if a little girl sees this and is inspired to become an astrophysicist when she grows up, that's amazing and makes my heart happy. Why does everyone have to ruin these moments?
Did you just assume that kid's gender?