Trump to dump detained illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities · General Discussion Forum

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by mike brown
There's an element of the left that is either for open borders or something close to that. But there are plenty on the left right now who weren't against basic border security until Trump made the wall his trademark. Now they are basically doing everything they can to prevent him getting much done on that front. Very similar to how many establishment Republicans treated Obamacare even though that had been more open to that sort of thing in the past

I do think most of the left is more reasonable. But it's more radical elements are disproportionately represented in the politicians. I think part of it is backlash to Trump, but I also think another significant part is the democratic politicians pandering to the more radical element of their base.

It's not just immigration. Take something like third trimester abortion, which 4/5 of Americans are against. The Democrat party line that most of the 2020 candidates are towing is in support of third trimester abortion.

Originally posted by mike brown
Basically, I believe they are being obstructionists at I mentioned above. The beds thing was in the negotiations after the failed negotiation tactic that was Trump's govt shut down. They are trying to make him look weak. And many of them aren't particularly concerned about immigration in general.
Personally I think the main problem with our immigration is people being undocumented.. I'm fine with the numbers of people coming here ( the asylum seekers are a temporary spike due to deteriorating conditions in a few countries). The system should be changed to make legal immigration easier. And the majority of illegals are visa overstays so something should be done about that as well.
I think border security is more of a problem because of the cartels than immigrants personally. I think a coast to coast wall is simplistic... But something should be done yes.

Yeah, I mean you seem like a reasonable guy.

Either way I really don't trust the democratic party on this issue.

mike brown Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I do think most of the left is more reasonable. But it's more radical elements are disproportionately represented in the politicians. I think part of it is backlash to Trump, but I also think another significant part is the democratic politicians pandering to the more radical element of their base.
It's not just immigration. Take something like third trimester abortion, which 4/5 of Americans are against. The Democrat party line that most of the 2020 candidates are towing is in support of third trimester abortion.

Yeah well the party is swinging to the left as reaction both to Trump and to the populist awakening on both sides in the last election. I think it's likely an overcorrection and a lot of the establishment types will find their way back toward the center left if the populists either don't take the presidency in 2020 or they do take it and have a bad time in office.

Yeah, I mean you seem like a reasonable guy.
Either way I really don't trust the democratic party on this issue.

I'm closer to the Dems than Trump by far when it comes to immigration... I have extended family that could face deportation. But it's not really my top issue and I usually don't vote. If anything prompts me to vote it will be to get rid of Trump for myriad of reasons... Near the top of the list being that I think it's a national embarrassment to have him as our figurehead. But that all depends on who the Dems throw up there to oppose him.

SquallX Senior Member

People say Trump is an embarrassment, yet can they name one Democrat that’s running for the Presidency in the last few years that’s not just as bad?

They also say Internationally Trumps a joke, yet the Europe we have the likes of the French President whom it’s own people hates, we have Merell who is an outright loathsome person, we have May who’s just as bad. Then we have Trudeau asnour neighbor.

Trump’s idea of sending all the illegals to sanctuary states, and the Dems saying is bad proves his point wholeheartedly. It shows those ****s in power cares little for those individuals unless a vote is guaranteed to them.

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mike brown Senior Member

Forget candidates... Can we not agree Trump is the most embarrassing president this country has had in a long time?

And criticizing his policy doesn't prove his point at all. There are even people on the right and people in ICE who realize it's a terrible idea. Common sense needs to trump partisan loyalty at some point or we are completely ****ed as a society. This policy doesn't help immigrants and it doesn't help the people concerned about border security. It's purely a threat to his political rivals. What did Trump say... Something like "I have an unlimited supply"? That's the tone of this whole thing.

Surtur Restricted

"You say 'friction' -- I say he's trying to pit Americans against each other and make us less safe." -Cory Booker

Gee why would this make us less safe Cory?

cdtm Restricted

Re: Trump to dump detained illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Sounds like a good plan

So more left voters in left states. Trump troll is obvious, what's the point of dumping left voters in left cities?

They're supposed to be flipping right voting middle America. Why else would dems that were against illegal immigration, suddenly be for it?

Silent Master Senior Member

Since people don't like this idea, what are the democrats ideas for dealing with illegal immigration?

Robtard Senor Member

"People say Trump is an embarrassment, yet can they name one Democrat that’s running for the Presidency in the last few years that’s not just as bad? -SquallX

Yes, Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton and Martin O'Malley are not as clownishly embarrassing as Trump is. You can disagree with their politics and that's fine. But to say those people are embarrassing to the US like Trump is a silly equalization tactic Trumpers love to use to make Trump seem less shitty and to feel better about their own support of the orange clown.

mike brown Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since people don't like this idea, what are the democrats ideas for dealing with illegal immigration?

I can't speak for the Democrats but personally they should get at many asylum judges as they can down there to deal with these cases as quickly as possible. What you have to remember is this is not normal immigration we're dealing with, it's people who came seeking asylum. That's what's holding up the process because each case needs to be looked at.

Silent Master Senior Member

So the democrats don't have any ideas for dealing with illegal immigrants?

Robtard Senor Member

Mike Brown just pointed out one major issue, a lack of Judges and more Judges is something Democrats are pushing for.

Despite Trump's bogus claim of "thousands of judges", there are fewer than 400 and they're ridiculously backlogged and Trump likes it this way as it creates chaos he can prey on.

"There are currently 733,365 pending immigration cases which means that the average immigration judge would have a backlog of over 2,000 cases." -snip

Silent Master Senior Member

More judges would be good to handle all the asylum requests, but that is only a small part of the overall illegal immigration problem.

What are they doing to solve the main issue?

Robtard Senor Member

Actually, the asylum seekers issue is a large part.

The non asylum trespassers issue has already been covered as well, where you also asleep? Beef up our border security and use technology. eg A drone can cover far more area than a bunch of guys in trucks and when a drone spots an illegal border crossing attempt, ground personal can be sent directly to the spot.

Silent Master Senior Member

Really, what percentage of illegal immigrants are legit aslyum seekers?

Surtur Restricted

I'm just curious why we'd be less safe over this...I'm told illegals totally commit less crime than americans. Why would Trump's plan put our safety in danger?

I am laughing at how even the Washington Post now admits we have a crisis at the border. What happened to all these once held truths? Illegals are safe and there is no border crisis...

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Really, what percentage of illegal immigrants are legit aslyum seekers?

You're moving the goal post. Those coming over under the Asylum seeker clause are up. We don't know how many are "legit", that's up to the Judges to decide on a case to case basis and as noted about, we have too few Judges to review the cases in an orderly/timely fashion.

Silent Master Senior Member

I may have worded that badly, so what percentage of illegal immigrants are people actively seeking asylum?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm just curious why we'd be less safe over this...I'm told illegals totally commit less crime than americans. Why would Trump's plan put our safety in danger?
I am laughing at how even the Washington Post now admits we have a crisis at the border. What happened to all these once held truths? Illegals are safe and there is no border crisis...

^ Surt trig'd himself again. Too funny.

Surtur Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Surt trig'd himself again. Too funny.

Mocking Cory Booker and laughing at the WaPo are now signs you're triggered? Oh Rob...you're slipping.