It's clear to me Gladiator used his HV, and despite BRBs best attempts at absorbing it with Stormbreaker, he actually overloaded it and destroyed it.
Odin then showed up, and remade it for Bill. But as punishment, he decreed that Bill had to be carried by Glads as if he had been defeated.
Prove me wrong.
It's clear to me, Gladiator was kicking BRB ass so bad.
Thor, Odin and all the Asgardians were informed, so they had to abandon the War of Realms. They teleported themselves to help BRB. only to all get their asses handed to them by Gladiator. Odin had to beg on his knees for forgiveness. Gladiator bfred all of them back to New York City.
It happened off panels, I had a writer friend who can confirm 👆
Originally posted by Stoicso one showing then. Sorry but all the other times he doesn’t fight like that blow that nonsense out of the water.
The Fantastic Four, and Thor needed a time dilation device just to fight evenly with Gladiator. The very idea that he was able the streak towards Wonder Man shows limb speed. There's your proof right there. And Dark Saint, I'm not Carver. Never forget this. I don't lol at shit.
It tells you everything you need to know about Gladiator that his only notable non-flying in space speed feats are done by a future version from a non-existent timeline [time dilatation] i.e. non-usable, and a random 'nanosecond' statement.
That said, I do think he beat [hamerless] Beta Ray Bill in what can be called a direct fight - but he did explicitly use heat vision [we literally see him using it] so it was not pure h2h. Though I'm one of the few people who think that he is slightly stronger/would be a favorite in that scenario against the Thor-folks [him choking out Jane with one hand being the most blatant example of this]
That said, Orion would clearly win here all things being involved [i.e. astro force/gear and motherbox], as would Thor most of the time if he's not fighting like an idiot [or Gladiator kicks his hammer away, lol]
i agree he COULD have beaten bill. stating it as fact though, just doesn't work. i also said straight h2h would favor glads, though it would be very close imo. still no idea how the fight went down though. i have absolutely zero issue with anyone saying they believe glads beat bill. he may very well have done so. just don't try conflating belief/opinion with fact is all's i'm saying. 👆
Bill could have been distracted by starlords “death” allowing gladiator to take him out. Very likely gladiator did KO him out but we just don’t know how
As I see it Gladiator was trying to kill gamora. Beta intervened and redirected his eye beams warning her it was coming. His attention was elsewhere and when starlord was shot he could have become even more distracted and been taken out. Just don’t know
I don't agree, but I also don't care, tbh. It's not like we're disagreeing that Gladiator could beat a hamerless BRB.
I don't understand the discussion, frankly. Is this to keep BRB's UFC record against Gladiator as 0-0-0 instead of 0-0-1? He's obviously using TRT [look at that Mohawk], so he'll get a No Contest next issue.
IMO, Off-pannel victory still should considering just not as solid as on-pannel victory.
I mean after all, Even it off-pannel, But it still in comic and it's facts, It still better than just our own assumptions.
Of course, Due to we haven't fully fight scene, So neither do we know what exactly happened made off-pannel feats less convincible than on-pannel feats
Originally posted by Insane Titan
so one showing then. Sorry but all the other times he doesn’t fight like that blow that nonsense out of the water.
Wait a second, are you denying that he has high end super speed? He clearly has character issues, where we see him stand there and gloat like when Masterson Thor takes him out, but was that purely CIS, or was an equally large portion of PIS involved? If not for plot, Gladiator had Wonder Man and Masterson dead to rights, and that was due mainly to speed. Orion isn't as fast as Gladiator no matter how you look at it. Speed in my opinion is not the be all, end all, but take note how those that preach it as gospel have become reluctant to stand by their past arguments and repeated rebuttals. What is the basis for this level of two faced behavior? We have a guy that dodges bullets, and even lasers, and one that moves multiple times the speed of light which was written. If it was written, it should be acknowledged. After all, we have to acknowledge the Astro Force, mother box, a good fight with Superman, and any other ability that Orion has.
What are you guys arguing about, specifically? I skimmed the thread, and I don't get it. We know that Bill lost to Gladiator... So? They're not that far apart stat-wise that such a thing should be a surprise, so what's the issue?
The fight doesn't raise or lower the stock of either man significantly, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Originally posted by Stoic
Wait a second, are you denying that he has high end super speed? He clearly has character issues, where we see him stand there and gloat like when Masterson Thor takes him out, but was that purely CIS, or was an equally large portion of PIS involved? If not for plot, Gladiator had Wonder Man and Masterson dead to rights, and that was due mainly to speed. Orion isn't as fast as Gladiator no matter how you look at it. Speed in my opinion is not the be all, end all, but take note how those that preach it as gospel have become reluctant to stand by their past arguments and repeated rebuttals. What is the basis for this level of two faced behavior? We have a guy that dodges bullets, and even lasers, and one that moves multiple times the speed of light which was written. If it was written, it should be acknowledged. After all, we have to acknowledge the Astro Force, mother box, a good fight with Superman, and any other ability that Orion has.
Only two faced one here is you.
I have asked repeatedly if both sides are allowed their full capacity. I am not reluctant to stand by my past arguments and repeated rebuttals.
So is Orion allowed full capacity too, just like Gladiator?