Dems think felons should be able to vote...

.... yes, you read that correctly. Some democrats are now pushing for convicted murderers and rapists to be able to vote. Considering how the dem party has become the party of illegals, mass infantacide (actually been that for a while now), MS13 gang-members, anti-semitism, crazy Trump/russian conspiracy theories, anti-USA, and anti-Christian (calling Christians "easter worshippers" is just one example of this), and the party of "you can just make up your own gender!" it shouldn't really be a surprise I guess.

They are desperate to get votes anywhere they can in wake of the #Blexit movement and all of the other people that are #WalkingAway from the democrat party. They need to make up for all of those missing numbers somehow if they hope to beat the big bad orange man in 2020!

I wonder if convicted felons should be given the right to obtain firearms. After all that is also a right...

Oh, I'm sure dems will eventually get around to trying to make an argument for that also, Surtur. They're ok with the bad guys having guns, just not law-abiding citizens. 👆

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
.... yes, you read that correctly. Some democrats are now pushing for convicted murderers and rapists to be able to vote. Considering how the dem party has become the party of illegals, mass infantacide (actually been that for a while now), MS13 gang-members, anti-semitism, crazy Trump/russian conspiracy theories, anti-USA, and anti-Christian (calling Christians "easter worshippers" is just one example of this), and the party of "you can just make up your own gender!" it shouldn't really be a surprise I guess.

They are desperate to get votes anywhere they can in wake of the #Blexit movement and all of the other people that are #WalkingAway from the democrat party. They need to make up for all of those missing numbers somehow if they hope to beat the big bad orange man in 2020!

My beef is voting while they are incarcerated after they serve their time I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Well, I guess to me it depends on what their crime was. Personally, I don't want a rapist having a say in who our future leaders are even after they have gotten out of prison. But I probably wouldn't mind someone voting after they served their time who was convicted of a non-violent felony like illegal drug possession, illegal gun possession, or something similar.

Dinesh D'souza, for example, should've never been barred from voting for his non-violent so-called "crime." Fortunately, President Trump pardoned him so he can vote again.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Well, I guess to me it depends on what their crime was. Personally, I don't want a rapist having a say in who our future leaders are even after they have gotten out of prison. But I probably wouldn't mind someone voting after they served their time who was convicted of a non-violent felony like illegal drug possession, illegal gun possession, or something similar.

Dinesh D'souza, for example, should've never been barred from voting for his non-violent so-called "crime." Fortunately, President Trump pardoned him so he can vote again.

With murder it could be different. Many people in prison for murder it could be the only crime they ever committed and one they actually regret. I'd rather they were allowed to vote than some repeat offending drug dealer or someone who defrauded loads of people.

Originally posted by snowdragon
My beef is voting while they are incarcerated after they serve their time I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

This is what most people believe as well, aside from the odd person who doesn't (eg Bernie Sanders is for voting while incarcerated, Trumpers don't want voting rights given back). The OP is just being a retard again.

I think anyone who has done there time deserves to be integrated fully back into society eventually. The sentence time is the punishment.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I think anyone who has done there time deserves to be integrated fully back into society eventually. The sentence time is the punishment.

That's the point of the penal system, once you serve your prison time and serve your probation period, you've paid your debt and you're done.

It's Trumper types who want to keep ex-convicts who have completed their sentencing as second class citizens and still deprive them the right to vote.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
With murder it could be different. Many people in prison for murder it could be the only crime they ever committed and one they actually regret. I'd rather they were allowed to vote than some repeat offending drug dealer or someone who defrauded loads of people.

Taking human life is the most grave of all crimes, imo (which is why I'm so very opposed to abortion), and the fact that some of those who did it may in fact be sincerely sorry for it doesn't change my opinion that they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Of course, manslaughter (3rd degree "murder"😉 is different because in that case it isn't intentional so I'm ok with them voting in that case.

Repeat drug dealers and defrauders shouldn't be allowed to vote either, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the point of the penal system, once you serve your prison time and serve your probation period, you've paid your debt and you're done.

It's Trumper types who want to keep ex-convicts who have completed their sentencing as second class citizens and still deprive them the right to vote.

I can see the value of certain arguments like not allowing pedophiles to live close to a school even after they've completed their sentence or allowing murderers access to guns. I don't see one for denying voting rights though.

But even those still shit on the rehabilitation theory and 'debt paid to society' sentiment. It's like forever punishment and saying someone can never be rehabilitated or forgiven even after they've served the time/probation.

Originally posted by Robtard
I can see the value of certain arguments like not allowing pedophiles to live close to a school even after they've completed their sentence or allowing murderers access to guns. I don't see one for denying voting rights though.

But even those still shit on the rehabilitation theory and 'debt paid to society' sentiment. It's like forever punishment and saying someone can never be rehabilitated or forgiven even after they've served the time/probation.

Originally posted by snowdragon
My beef is voting while they are incarcerated after they serve their time I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

This is a normal and reasonable perspective. 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the point of the penal system, once you serve your prison time and serve your probation period, you've paid your debt and you're done.

It's Trumper types who want to keep ex-convicts who have completed their sentencing as second class citizens and still deprive them the right to vote.

I somewhat agree. This type of thinking is how you "demote" humans to subhumans. It's terrible thinking.

Originally posted by Robtard
I can see the value of certain arguments like not allowing pedophiles to live close to a school even after they've completed their sentence or allowing murderers access to guns. I don't see one for denying voting rights though.

But even those still shit on the rehabilitation theory and 'debt paid to society' sentiment. It's like forever punishment and saying someone can never be rehabilitated or forgiven even after they've served the time/probation.

That's true, there are alot of other things that should be done as well to make it so that once done with their time they can reconnect and participate fully within our society.

There are far to many barriers in play once they come out of jail which is probably one of the reasons we have such a high recidivism rate in the USA.

They aren't second class citizens once they have paid their price.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
👆 Most young men make a wrong choice or two, most of us look back on that age and if we are honest thank our stars things didn't ruin our lives. Once time and probation is served that should be it, O.K. registers should be krpt for sex offenders and records kept untik the crime is wiped, beyond that whilst not a Christian, I do believe people should be forgiven.

Agreed. I got into fights as a youth and broke some other people's bones. Probably a felony?

I used to do lots of volunteer work in Oklahoma City and I'd work with inmates to setup charity events at the Capitol. I got to hear the stories of the inmates. Some of their stories were no different than the things I did as a youth. They just got caught.

Perhaps a fight ended up in a much more terrible way and someone died. Bam. Prison time for manslaughter. That could have been me.

I am not a better human being because my fights did not result in paralysis or death of another. I don't think I am some amazing top-class citizen just because I have never been convicted of crimes. That's arrogance and elitism of the highest order (pun intended). That type of thinking needs to die.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Agreed. I got into fights as a youth and broke some other people's bones. Probably a felony?

I used to do lots of volunteer work in Oklahoma City and I'd work with inmates to setup charity events at the Capitol. I got to hear the stories of the inmates. Some of their stories were no different than the things I did as a youth. They just got caught.

Perhaps a fight ended up in a much more terrible way and someone died. Bam. Prison time for manslaughter. That could have been me.

I am not a better human being because my fights did not result in paralysis or death of another. I don't think I am some amazing top-class citizen just because I have never been convicted of crimes. That's arrogance and elitism of the highest order (pun intended). That type of thinking needs to die.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is what most people believe as well, aside from the odd person who doesn't (eg Bernie Sanders is for voting while incarcerated, Trumpers don't want voting rights given back). The OP is just being a retard again.

More than one retard running for president in 2020 has said they're open to a "discussion" about people in jail voting. Harris and Warren come to mind.

Deal with it.

Being open to discussion is sensible, what if despite your strong stance on something, the other person has a solid argument. Do better for yourself, be less angry with your life, Surt.